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From: Volker Lendecke <Volker.Lendecke@SerNet.DE>
To: Frank Filz <ffilzlnx@mindspring.com>
Cc: 'Andreas Dilger' <adilger@dilger.ca>,
	'Jeff Layton' <jlayton@redhat.com>,
	samba-technical@lists.samba.org,
	'Linux Kernel Mailing List' <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	'Ganesha NFS List' <nfs-ganesha-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	'Jeremy Allison' <jra@samba.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/5] locks: implement "filp-private" (aka UNPOSIX) locks
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:56:40 +0200
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:56:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1VW0Qm-002ZEf-4z@intern.SerNet.DE> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <02a901cec8f1$47ce0280$d76a0780$@mindspring.com>

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 08:23:03AM -0700, Frank Filz wrote:
> > http://www.samba.org/samba/news/articles/low_point/tale_two_stds_os2
> > > > .html
> > > >
> > > > See the section entitled "First Implementation Past the Post".
> > >
> > > Interesting that Jeremy actually suggested the implementation should
> > > have had an arbitrary lock owner as part of the flock structure:
> > >
> > > "This is an example of a POSIX interface not being future-proofed
> > > against modern techniques such as threading. A simple amendment to the
> > > original primitive allowing a user-defined "locking context" (like a
> > > process id) to be entered in the struct flock structure used to define
> > > the lock would have fixed this problem, along with extra flags
> > > allowing the number of locks per context to be recorded if needed."
> > >
> > > But I'm happy with the lock context per kernel struct file as a
> > > solution, especially since that will allow locks to be sensibly passed
> > > to a forked process.
> > >
> > > Another next step would be an asynchronous blocking lock...
> > 
> > Yes, please :-)
> 
> What model would be useful to you (and for what project)? One thing I could

It's ctdb that would be mainly interested in this. ctdb
deals a lot with out tdb files, a shared mmap key/value
database protected by fcntl locks. ctdb is the database
daemon distributing records in a cluster. It is a
single-threaded async event loop, and it has to fork helper
processes waiting for locks.

> think of is since we have a file descriptor for each lock owner/file pair,
> we could do something like select on those descriptors, got to think about
> how that would actually work though... The vfs lock layer does inherently
> support a kernel call back when a blocked lock can be unblocked, so we just
> need to figure out the best way to hook that up to user space in a way that
> doesn't require a thread per blocked lock.

A model that would probably work for us is one file
descriptor that becomes readable when one of the blocking
lock states changes. To signal which one changed, I think
passing an opaque uint64 (usable as a pointer) for the
blocking lock would be great, or possibly something like
epoll_data_t. We would pass this in the fcntl call and read
it from the signal, possibly together with an errno
(EDEADLK?). Not sure if this is feasible kernel-side, but I
believe this is something that would work for us user-side.

Volker

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-10-15  8:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-11 12:25 [RFC PATCH 0/5] locks: implement "filp-private" (aka UNPOSIX) locks Jeff Layton
2013-10-11 12:25 ` [RFC PATCH 1/5] locks: consolidate checks for compatible filp->f_mode values in setlk handlers Jeff Layton
2013-10-11 12:25 ` [RFC PATCH 2/5] locks: add definitions for F_RDLCKP and F_WRLCKP Jeff Layton
2013-10-11 12:25 ` [RFC PATCH 3/5] locks: skip FL_FILP_PRIVATE locks on close unless we're closing the correct filp Jeff Layton
2013-10-11 12:25 ` [RFC PATCH 4/5] locks: handle merging of locks when FL_FILP_PRIVATE is set Jeff Layton
2013-10-11 12:25 ` [RFC PATCH 5/5] locks: show private lock types in /proc/locks Jeff Layton
2013-10-11 13:35 ` [RFC PATCH 0/5] locks: implement "filp-private" (aka UNPOSIX) locks Jeff Layton
2013-10-11 15:20   ` Frank Filz
2013-10-11 15:50     ` Jeff Layton
2013-10-11 17:07       ` Frank Filz
2013-10-11 18:42         ` Jeff Layton
2013-10-11 18:53           ` Frank Filz
2013-10-12  9:10             ` Volker Lendecke
2013-10-11 20:07 ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-10-11 21:36   ` Andreas Dilger
2013-10-11 23:21     ` Jeff Layton
2013-10-11 23:49       ` Jeremy Allison
2013-10-12  0:18         ` Scott Lovenberg
2013-10-12  0:42           ` Jeff Layton
2013-10-12 18:12             ` Frank Filz
2013-10-14  7:24               ` Volker Lendecke
2013-10-14 15:23                 ` Frank Filz
2013-10-15  8:56                   ` Volker Lendecke [this message]
2013-10-12 20:56             ` Scott Lovenberg
2013-10-12  9:20 ` Stefan (metze) Metzmacher
2013-10-12 11:47   ` Jeff Layton
2013-10-12 18:10     ` [Nfs-ganesha-devel] " Frank Filz

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