From: "david m. richter" <richterd@citi.umich.edu>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
hch@infradead.org, bunk@kernel.org, dwmw2@infradead.org,
miklos@szeredi.hu, me@bobcopeland.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] OMFS filesystem version 3
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:46:32 -0400 (EDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.64.0804151651500.12362@citi.umich.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080415205819.6340baa3@the-village.bc.nu>
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Alan Cox wrote:
<snip>
> > > This is a free software project not a business enterprise.
> >
> > And the same principles apply, don't they? We seek to minimise overhead
> > and to use our kernel development hours as effectively as we can.
>
> One word if we are getting into the economics of this: Externalities.
> There are lots of benefits from merging the code beyond simple value of
> code merge including more developers, more reference code, more users.
> The ratio of new contributions to maintenance is a different problem and
> one I do not think should be conflated with it.
>
> But yes I do think they are different - free software is largely done for
> fun, by people who want to contribute. What was it John Betjeman said of
> another large volunteer project:
>
> "the result of the independent spirit which still survives in this
> country and refuses to be crushed by the money-worshippers, centralizers
> and the unimaginative theorists who are doing their best to kill it"
>
> Alan
to interject, and in response to a variety of posts in this thread
and in no way drawing solely on yours, alan: despite that it may sound
like some interesting viewpoints are getting aired here, i think the
discussion may've unproductively slewed to a point where andrew's
unfortunately been painted into a corner in which he has little practical
interest.
it seems like some folks have misinterpreted andrew's remarks as
being variously inflexible, elitist, "political", pro-"corporate-drone",
working at cross-purposes to the spirit of open source, and otherwise.
in rereading the thread, though, he's pretty much been the most
even-handed, moderate, practical, and open to discussion and compromise of
anyone involved.
he gave an opinion about the merits of OMFS in-kernel vs FUSE,
clarified his stance, remained open to other's comments and criticism,
didn't rise to any bait when people called his ideas "stupid" and whatnot
(despite that he specifically said he had "no strong opinions either
way"), and he compromised: he offered to pull the code into -mm; he said
he'd merge v4.
known: OMFS has a few bugs (thanks, reviewers), needs testing, and
has outstanding legal questions to resolve. andrew offered to merge the
next version.
to ground the topic in terms of practicality: what else would all
of you have andrew do, at this moment, that he hasn't already done? can
we let him get back to work?
thanks,
d
.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-04-15 21:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-04-12 22:58 [PATCH 0/7] OMFS filesystem version 3 Bob Copeland
2008-04-13 0:03 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-13 3:33 ` Bob Copeland
2008-04-13 3:55 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-13 4:41 ` Bob Copeland
2008-04-13 8:01 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-13 8:20 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-13 8:28 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-13 10:37 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-04-13 21:15 ` David Woodhouse
2008-04-13 22:44 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-13 22:49 ` Alan Cox
2008-04-13 23:10 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 1:32 ` Bob Copeland
2008-04-14 5:48 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 8:16 ` Alan Cox
2008-04-14 8:36 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 8:41 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-14 14:20 ` Chris Mason
2008-04-14 16:36 ` Bob Copeland
2008-04-14 16:51 ` Alan Cox
2008-04-14 17:18 ` Bob Copeland
2008-04-14 17:22 ` Alan Cox
2008-04-14 20:29 ` david
2008-04-18 13:13 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2008-04-14 20:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-14 21:11 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 22:32 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-14 23:21 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 23:09 ` SL Baur
2008-04-14 23:24 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 8:30 ` Xavier Bestel
2008-04-14 8:43 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-14 8:44 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 9:08 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-14 9:09 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-14 9:21 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 10:09 ` David Woodhouse
2008-04-14 10:22 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 10:36 ` David Woodhouse
2008-04-14 11:16 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-15 15:16 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-15 16:57 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-15 18:34 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-15 18:53 ` Alan Cox
2008-04-15 20:02 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-15 19:58 ` Alan Cox
2008-04-15 21:46 ` david m. richter [this message]
2008-04-15 19:24 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-15 20:11 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-15 20:27 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-14 7:25 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-04-14 7:49 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 8:11 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-04-14 8:11 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2008-04-14 8:26 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-04-14 9:42 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-04-14 9:58 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-04-14 11:05 ` David Woodhouse
2008-04-14 12:50 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-04-14 11:55 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-04-14 11:57 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-14 12:26 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-04-14 22:35 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-04-15 11:33 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-04-15 15:23 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-04-17 1:08 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2008-04-17 6:50 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-04-17 8:17 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-04-14 0:45 ` Bob Copeland
2008-04-14 7:35 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-04-18 10:30 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2008-04-18 11:52 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-04-18 12:20 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-04-18 12:57 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-04-18 16:01 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-04-18 16:15 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-04-18 13:51 ` Bob Copeland
2008-04-18 14:23 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-04-18 14:43 ` Bob Copeland
2008-04-18 17:35 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2008-04-18 17:48 ` Bob Copeland
2008-04-18 12:46 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2008-04-13 9:04 ` Alan Cox
2008-04-13 10:00 ` Pavel Machek
2008-04-15 3:14 ` Erez Zadok
[not found] <14725485.776281208170999085.JavaMail.szaka@kolumbus.fi>
2008-04-14 12:46 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2008-04-14 13:15 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2008-04-14 16:12 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
[not found] <10224488.783261208172602425.JavaMail.szaka@kolumbus.fi>
2008-04-15 0:11 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2008-04-15 15:05 ` Adrian Bunk
[not found] <aiwLk-3mc-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <aiwLk-3mc-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <aiwLk-3mc-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
2008-04-16 9:56 ` Bodo Eggert
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