From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Linus Torvalds Subject: Re: [RFC 0/13] extents and 48bit ext3 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <1149816055.4066.60.camel@dyn9047017069.beaverton.ibm.com> <4488E1A4.20305@garzik.org> <20060609083523.GQ5964@schatzie.adilger.int> <44898EE3.6080903@garzik.org> <448992EB.5070405@garzik.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ext2-devel , linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Andreas Dilger , cmm@us.ibm.com, Andrew Morton Return-path: Received: from smtp.osdl.org ([65.172.181.4]:47812 "EHLO smtp.osdl.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1030213AbWFIPkk (ORCPT ); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:40:40 -0400 To: Jeff Garzik In-Reply-To: <448992EB.5070405@garzik.org> Sender: linux-fsdevel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-Id: linux-fsdevel.vger.kernel.org On Fri, 9 Jun 2006, Jeff Garzik wrote: > > Overall, I'm surprised that ext3 developers don't see any of the problems > related to progressive, stealth filesystem upgrades. Hey, they're used to it - they've been doing it for a long time. In fact, ext3 wouldn't be ext3 unless I (and perhaps a few others) had insisted on it. People wanted to try to upgrade ext2 in place. And they've been upgrading it in-place for a long time. Now, there are unquestionably advantages to that approach too, but as you say, there are absolutely tons of disadvantages too. Bugs get much much subtler, and more disastrous for old users that don't even want the new features. Quite frankly, at this point, there's no way in hell I believe we can do major surgery on ext3. It's the main filesystem for a lot of users, and it's just not worth the instability worries unless it's something very obviously transparent. I wouldn't mind an ext4 (that hopefully drops some of the features of ext3, and might not downgrade to ext2 on errors, for example). Linus