From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
To: Alex Tomas <alex@clusterfs.com>
Cc: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
ext2-devel <ext2-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, cmm@us.ibm.com,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
Andreas Dilger <adilger@clusterfs.com>
Subject: Re: [Ext2-devel] [RFC 0/13] extents and 48bit ext3
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:54:49 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0606090933130.5498@g5.osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0606090913390.5498@g5.osdl.org>
On Fri, 9 Jun 2006, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>
> Just as an example: ext3 _sucks_ in many ways. It has huge inodes that
> take up way too much space in memory.
Btw, I'm not kidding you on this one.
THE NUMBER ONE MEMORY USAGE ON A LOT OF LOADS IS EXT3 INODES IN MEMORY!
And you know what? 2TB files are totally uninteresting to 99.9999% of all
people. Most people find it _much_ more interesting to have hundreds of
thousands of _smaller_ files instead.
So do this:
cat /proc/slabinfo | grep ext3
and be absolutely disgusted and horrified by the size of those inodes
already, and ask yourself whether extending the block size to 48 bits will
help or further hurt one of the biggest problems of ext3 right now?
(And yes, I realize that block numbers are just a small part of it. The
"vfs_inode" is also a real problem - it's got _way_ too many large
list-heads that explode on a 64-bit kernel, for example. Oh, well. My
point is that things like this can make a very real issue _worse_ for all
the people who don't care one whit about it)
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-06-09 16:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 295+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-06-09 1:20 [RFC 0/13] extents and 48bit ext3 Mingming Cao
2006-06-09 2:40 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-06-09 8:20 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 18:35 ` [Ext2-devel] " Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 19:20 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:28 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:41 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 15:23 ` Mingming Cao
2006-06-09 2:49 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 8:35 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 15:08 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 15:47 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:55 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 15:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:07 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:09 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:04 ` Matthew Frost
2006-06-09 18:10 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 18:14 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 18:51 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:39 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2006-06-09 19:45 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:38 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2006-06-10 10:03 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-09 19:49 ` [Ext2-devel] " Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 20:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:57 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 21:49 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 21:55 ` [Ext2-devel] " Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 23:44 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 0:45 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 0:47 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 1:09 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 1:30 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 1:43 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 2:03 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 2:11 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 2:54 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 3:11 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 12:15 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 14:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 2:58 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 2:26 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 2:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 4:22 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 22:37 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-11 16:02 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-11 16:30 ` Nikita Danilov
2006-06-11 16:55 ` [Ext2-devel] " Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-12 6:35 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-12 22:06 ` [Ext2-devel] " Pavel Machek
2006-06-14 14:31 ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-06-14 21:34 ` [Ext2-devel] " Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 0:28 ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-06-15 4:55 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-15 7:43 ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-06-15 9:15 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 9:40 ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-06-15 9:50 ` [Ext2-devel] " Pavel Machek
2006-06-09 20:52 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 21:47 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 0:41 ` James Morris
2006-06-09 16:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 20:38 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 15:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:10 ` [Ext2-devel] " Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:10 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:24 ` Erik Mouw
2006-06-09 16:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:24 ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-09 16:25 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:50 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:53 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:01 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 17:10 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 16:48 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:54 ` KELEMEN Peter
2006-06-09 16:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:12 ` [Ext2-devel] " Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 17:12 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:57 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 20:09 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:14 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 20:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-19 7:48 ` [Ext2-devel] " Helge Hafting
2006-06-09 20:38 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 20:50 ` Dave Jones
2006-06-09 21:09 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 21:51 ` Mike Snitzer
2006-06-09 21:32 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 22:56 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 23:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 23:09 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 23:37 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 23:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 21:03 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 21:24 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 21:36 ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-09 21:51 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 22:07 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 22:31 ` [Ext2-devel] " Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 22:47 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 23:54 ` [Ext2-devel] " Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 23:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-12 8:58 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-06-10 0:07 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-06-10 0:13 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:54 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2006-06-09 17:04 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 17:30 ` [Ext2-devel] " Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 17:41 ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-06-09 17:50 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:00 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 18:04 ` [Ext2-devel] " Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 18:17 ` Michael Poole
2006-06-09 17:44 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 17:58 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:10 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 18:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 18:30 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 18:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 18:50 ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-09 19:00 ` Chase Venters
2006-06-10 13:33 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-06-09 19:01 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 19:27 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-06-10 19:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-10 20:02 ` [Ext2-devel] " Linus Torvalds
2006-06-10 21:26 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 21:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-10 22:12 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 22:21 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-11 4:39 ` Stable/devel policy - was Re: [Ext2-devel] " Neil Brown
2006-06-11 5:19 ` Stable/devel policy - was " Linus Torvalds
2006-06-11 7:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-13 0:28 ` Stable/devel policy - was Re: [Ext2-devel] " Mingming Cao
2006-06-09 19:21 ` Alan Cox
2006-06-09 19:13 ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-09 19:24 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:35 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:35 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:44 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 20:49 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 21:11 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 21:20 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 21:29 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 21:33 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 21:43 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-11 20:14 ` [Ext2-devel] " grundig
2006-06-14 16:45 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:22 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:22 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:16 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 20:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 20:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:43 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:50 ` Diego Calleja
2006-06-09 19:08 ` Diego Calleja
2006-06-09 18:40 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:59 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-09 19:16 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:27 ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-09 20:44 ` Alan Cox
2006-06-11 15:52 ` [Ext2-devel] " Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-09 18:41 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:12 ` Jeff Anderson-Lee
2006-06-09 18:02 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-10 19:10 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-06-10 19:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 15:28 ` [Ext2-devel] " Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 15:31 ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-06-10 3:26 ` Continuation Inodes Explained! (was Re: [RFC 0/13] extents and 48bit ext3) Valerie Henson
2006-06-10 5:25 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 5:41 ` Valerie Henson
2006-06-10 6:22 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 14:22 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:44 ` [Ext2-devel] [RFC 0/13] extents and 48bit ext3 Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:53 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 15:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:02 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:04 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:29 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 15:53 ` [Ext2-devel] " Gerrit Huizenga
2006-06-09 16:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 17:58 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2006-06-09 18:25 ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-10 13:46 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-06-10 14:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-10 15:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-11 6:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-10 16:00 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-06-10 16:05 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-10 23:05 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-06-13 13:34 ` [Ext2-devel] " Helge Hafting
2006-06-09 20:32 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 20:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 20:56 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-20 6:15 ` [Ext2-devel] " Qi Yong
2006-06-20 8:26 ` Laurent Vivier
2006-06-20 8:30 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-20 9:21 ` Laurent Vivier
2006-06-20 9:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-20 10:40 ` Laurent Vivier
2006-06-09 17:14 ` Alan Cox
2006-06-09 9:13 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-09 10:07 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-09 15:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:42 ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-06-09 15:51 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:29 ` Alan Cox
2006-06-09 16:56 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-09 17:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:35 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-09 17:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:27 ` [Ext2-devel] " Mike Snitzer
2006-06-09 18:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:22 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:23 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 22:49 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-06-09 23:34 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 13:49 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-06-10 13:51 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-10 14:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 18:01 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 21:42 ` Sonny Rao
2006-06-09 22:15 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-09 23:11 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 23:15 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 3:37 ` Valerie Henson
2006-06-10 3:49 ` Nathan Scott
2006-06-09 18:23 ` Michael Poole
2006-06-09 18:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:42 ` [Ext2-devel] " Gerrit Huizenga
2006-06-09 20:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:08 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 20:10 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:35 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 21:41 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 21:45 ` [Ext2-devel] " Michael Poole
2006-06-09 21:53 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 22:04 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 0:49 ` Sven-Haegar Koch
2006-06-10 1:06 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 14:07 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-06-10 19:52 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 10:49 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 11:26 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 14:23 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 14:33 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 14:34 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 14:35 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 14:57 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 15:17 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:21 ` Mike Snitzer
2006-06-09 16:27 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:48 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:51 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:33 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:37 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 22:52 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-06-09 23:21 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 1:21 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-06-10 2:09 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 2:45 ` Nicholas Miell
2006-06-10 4:29 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 16:56 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 17:32 ` [Ext2-devel] " Greg KH
2006-06-09 18:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-30 0:16 ` [RFC][Update 0/16]extents and 48bit ext3/4 patches Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:16 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 1/16]core extent map support Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 2/16]sector_t type format string Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 3/16]convert ext3_fsblk_t to sector_t to support >32 bit block in kernel Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 4/16]support 48 bit blk number in extents Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 5/16]block type convert " Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 6/16]handing unitialized extents Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 7/16]Core 64 bit JBD changes Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 8/16]Avoid potential block overflow when writing journal metadata tags Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 9/16]Fix reading of 32-bit tag descriptors Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 10/16]Cleanup journal_tag_bytes() Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 11/16]JBD layer in-kernel block variables type fixes Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 12/16]Fix undefined ">> 32" in revoke code Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 3:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-30 0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 13/16] 48 bit on-disk i_file_acl support Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:19 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 14/16] 48bit super block (metadata) changes Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:19 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 15/16] compile warning fix and change 64bit to INCOMPAT feature Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:19 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 16/16]Update ext3 superblock definition Mingming Cao
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2006-06-14 16:45 ` [Ext2-devel] [RFC 0/13] extents and 48bit ext3 Bodo Eggert
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