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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
To: Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>
Cc: Alex Tomas <alex@clusterfs.com>, Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	ext2-devel <ext2-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, cmm@us.ibm.com,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andreas Dilger <adilger@clusterfs.com>
Subject: Re: [Ext2-devel] [RFC 0/13] extents and 48bit ext3
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:04:36 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0606091056100.5498@g5.osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060609174146.GO1651@parisc-linux.org>



On Fri, 9 Jun 2006, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> 
> One of the costs (and I'm not disagreeing with your main point;
> I think forking ext3 to ext4 at this point is reasonable), is that
> bugfixes applied to one don't necessarily get applied to the other.

I agree. However, that tends to be less of an issue of you fork off a 
stable base (which isn't always the case). Forking off something that is 
being stil actively developed is a different matter entirely. I don't 
think ext3 is in that situation, really.

Also, one of the issues is when there are big VFS layer changes, which 
affect all filesystems. Then, a lot of people will think that it's easier 
to fix up one unified filesystem than it is to fix up five separate ones, 
and the fact is, that's often _not_ the case.

The unified filesystem potentially has so much crud and crap and other 
issues that it ends up being much more work to understand and fix it up 
than it would have been to do the same thing for five different 
filesystems that didn't play a lot of games and have complex

  "if this flag is set, do this code, otherwise do that code, and this 
   whole directory reading code btw has a static CONFIG_EXT3_INDEX thing, 
   so you won't even know if you caught all the interface changes when you 
   get a clean compile"

So I'm not a huge believer in "shared code is good code". I believe shared 
code is good only if it has no conditionals.

Ie the VFS-layer kind of code that acts the SAME for everybody is the good 
kind of sharing. The kind where you call into different routines that will 
do different things depending on a flag (which may not even be obvious to 
the caller) is usually the _bad_ kind of sharing, because that's the kind 
of code that ends up working for one user and not working for another, and 
trying to make it work for both may be fundamentally hard.

The

	if (sb->option.extent) 
		.. do one thing ..
	else
		.. do another ..

kind of thing is exactly what leads to problems later. Even if it allows 
sharing of 90% of the code (the caller of the function), it leads to 
problems exactly because of things that end up not quite working because 
people only tested one code-path, and it broke the other case in some 
really subtle way.

		Linus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-06-09 18:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 295+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-09  1:20 [RFC 0/13] extents and 48bit ext3 Mingming Cao
2006-06-09  2:40 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-06-09  8:20   ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 18:35     ` [Ext2-devel] " Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 19:20       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:28         ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:32           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:41             ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 15:23   ` Mingming Cao
2006-06-09  2:49 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09  8:35   ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 15:08     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:25       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:40         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 15:47           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:55             ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 15:56               ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:07                 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:09                   ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:04                   ` Matthew Frost
2006-06-09 18:10                     ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 18:14                     ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 18:51                       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:39                         ` Gerrit Huizenga
2006-06-09 19:45                           ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:38                             ` Gerrit Huizenga
2006-06-10 10:03                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-09 19:49                         ` [Ext2-devel] " Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 20:04                           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:57                             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 21:49                               ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 21:55                                 ` [Ext2-devel] " Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 23:44                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10  0:45                                     ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10  0:47                                     ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10  1:09                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10  1:30                                         ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10  1:43                                           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10  2:03                                             ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10  2:11                                               ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10  2:54                                                 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10  3:11                                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 12:15                                                     ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 14:31                                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10  2:58                                               ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10  2:26                                             ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10  2:31                                               ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10  4:22                                                 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 22:37                             ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-11 16:02                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-11 16:30                           ` Nikita Danilov
2006-06-11 16:55                             ` [Ext2-devel] " Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-12  6:35                           ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-12 22:06                         ` [Ext2-devel] " Pavel Machek
2006-06-14 14:31                           ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-06-14 21:34                             ` [Ext2-devel] " Pavel Machek
2006-06-15  0:28                               ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-06-15  4:55                                 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-15  7:43                                   ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-06-15  9:15                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15  9:40                                   ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-06-15  9:50                                     ` [Ext2-devel] " Pavel Machek
2006-06-09 20:52                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 21:47                   ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10  0:41                     ` James Morris
2006-06-09 16:01             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 20:38             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 15:57           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:10           ` [Ext2-devel] " Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:10             ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:24               ` Erik Mouw
2006-06-09 16:28                 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:24               ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-09 16:25               ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:28                 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:50                   ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:53                     ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:01                       ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 17:10                         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:25             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 16:48               ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:54                 ` KELEMEN Peter
2006-06-09 16:55                 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:12                   ` [Ext2-devel] " Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 17:12                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:57                   ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 20:09                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:14                       ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 20:28                         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-19  7:48                         ` [Ext2-devel] " Helge Hafting
2006-06-09 20:38                     ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 20:50                       ` Dave Jones
2006-06-09 21:09                         ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 21:51                           ` Mike Snitzer
2006-06-09 21:32                         ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 22:56                           ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 23:06                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 23:09                             ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 23:37                               ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 23:54                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 21:03                       ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 21:24                         ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 21:36                           ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-09 21:51                           ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 22:07                             ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 22:31                               ` [Ext2-devel] " Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 22:47                                 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 23:54                                   ` [Ext2-devel] " Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 23:48                         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-12  8:58                     ` Jes Sorensen
2006-06-10  0:07                   ` Olivier Galibert
2006-06-10  0:13                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:54               ` [Ext2-devel] " Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 17:04                 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 17:30                   ` [Ext2-devel] " Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 17:41                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-06-09 17:50                       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:00                         ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 18:04                       ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2006-06-09 18:17                       ` [Ext2-devel] " Michael Poole
2006-06-09 17:44                 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 17:58                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:10                 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 18:22                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 18:30                     ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 18:38                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 18:50                         ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-09 19:00                           ` Chase Venters
2006-06-10 13:33                             ` Adrian Bunk
2006-06-09 19:01                           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 19:27                             ` Kyle Moffett
2006-06-10 19:44                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-10 20:02                                 ` [Ext2-devel] " Linus Torvalds
2006-06-10 21:26                                   ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 21:31                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-10 22:12                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 22:21                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-11  4:39                                       ` Stable/devel policy - was Re: [Ext2-devel] " Neil Brown
2006-06-11  5:19                                         ` Stable/devel policy - was " Linus Torvalds
2006-06-11  7:32                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-13  0:28                                         ` Stable/devel policy - was Re: [Ext2-devel] " Mingming Cao
2006-06-09 19:21                           ` Alan Cox
2006-06-09 19:13                             ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-09 19:24                             ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:25                               ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:35                                 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:35                                   ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:44                                   ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 20:49                                     ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 21:11                                       ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 21:20                                         ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 21:29                                           ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 21:33                                             ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 21:43                                             ` Joel Becker
2006-06-11 20:14                                   ` [Ext2-devel] " grundig
2006-06-14 16:45                                     ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:22                         ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:22                           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:16                         ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 20:31                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 20:31                           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:43                       ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:50                       ` Diego Calleja
2006-06-09 19:08                         ` Diego Calleja
2006-06-09 18:40                   ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:59                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-09 19:16                       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:27                         ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-09 20:44                       ` Alan Cox
2006-06-11 15:52                         ` [Ext2-devel] " Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-09 18:41                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:12               ` Jeff Anderson-Lee
2006-06-09 18:02               ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-10 19:10         ` Kyle Moffett
2006-06-10 19:27           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 15:28       ` [Ext2-devel] " Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 15:31         ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-06-10  3:26           ` Continuation Inodes Explained! (was Re: [RFC 0/13] extents and 48bit ext3) Valerie Henson
2006-06-10  5:25             ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10  5:41               ` Valerie Henson
2006-06-10  6:22                 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 14:22             ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:44         ` [Ext2-devel] [RFC 0/13] extents and 48bit ext3 Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:53           ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 15:52             ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:02               ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:04                 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:29           ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 15:53         ` [Ext2-devel] " Gerrit Huizenga
2006-06-09 16:03           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:09           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 17:58             ` Gerrit Huizenga
2006-06-09 18:25               ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-10 13:46               ` Adrian Bunk
2006-06-10 14:42                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-10 15:03                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-11  6:00                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-10 16:00                   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-06-10 16:05                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-10 23:05                   ` Mike Galbraith
2006-06-13 13:34               ` [Ext2-devel] " Helge Hafting
2006-06-09 20:32       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 20:46         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 20:56           ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-20  6:15           ` [Ext2-devel] " Qi Yong
2006-06-20  8:26             ` Laurent Vivier
2006-06-20  8:30               ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-20  9:21                 ` Laurent Vivier
2006-06-20  9:48                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-20 10:40                     ` Laurent Vivier
2006-06-09 17:14   ` Alan Cox
2006-06-09  9:13 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-09 10:07   ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-09 15:40     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:42       ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-06-09 15:51         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:29         ` Alan Cox
2006-06-09 16:56       ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-09 17:07         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:35           ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-09 17:48             ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:59               ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:27                 ` [Ext2-devel] " Mike Snitzer
2006-06-09 18:54                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:22                     ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:23                       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 22:49                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-06-09 23:34                         ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 13:49                   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-06-10 13:51                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-10 14:54                       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 18:01                         ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 21:42             ` Sonny Rao
2006-06-09 22:15               ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-09 23:11                 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 23:15                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10  3:37                   ` Valerie Henson
2006-06-10  3:49                 ` Nathan Scott
2006-06-09 18:23       ` Michael Poole
2006-06-09 18:55         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:42           ` [Ext2-devel] " Gerrit Huizenga
2006-06-09 20:00             ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:08               ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 20:10                 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:35               ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 21:41                 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 21:45                   ` [Ext2-devel] " Michael Poole
2006-06-09 21:53                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 22:04                       ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10  0:49         ` Sven-Haegar Koch
2006-06-10  1:06           ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 14:07             ` Olivier Galibert
2006-06-10 19:52               ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 10:49   ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 11:26   ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 14:23     ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 14:33       ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 14:34       ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 14:35         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 14:57           ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 15:17             ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:21               ` Mike Snitzer
2006-06-09 16:27                 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:48                   ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:51                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:33                 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:37                   ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 22:52                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-06-09 23:21                     ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10  1:21                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-06-10  2:09                         ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10  2:45                           ` Nicholas Miell
2006-06-10  4:29                             ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 16:56               ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 17:32                 ` [Ext2-devel] " Greg KH
2006-06-09 18:48                 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-30  0:16 ` [RFC][Update 0/16]extents and 48bit ext3/4 patches Mingming Cao
2006-06-30  0:16 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 1/16]core extent map support Mingming Cao
2006-06-30  0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 2/16]sector_t type format string Mingming Cao
2006-06-30  0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 3/16]convert ext3_fsblk_t to sector_t to support >32 bit block in kernel Mingming Cao
2006-06-30  0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 4/16]support 48 bit blk number in extents Mingming Cao
2006-06-30  0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 5/16]block type convert " Mingming Cao
2006-06-30  0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 6/16]handing unitialized extents Mingming Cao
2006-06-30  0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 7/16]Core 64 bit JBD changes Mingming Cao
2006-06-30  0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 8/16]Avoid potential block overflow when writing journal metadata tags Mingming Cao
2006-06-30  0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 9/16]Fix reading of 32-bit tag descriptors Mingming Cao
2006-06-30  0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 10/16]Cleanup journal_tag_bytes() Mingming Cao
2006-06-30  0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 11/16]JBD layer in-kernel block variables type fixes Mingming Cao
2006-06-30  0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 12/16]Fix undefined ">> 32" in revoke code Mingming Cao
2006-06-30  3:15   ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-30  0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 13/16] 48 bit on-disk i_file_acl support Mingming Cao
2006-06-30  0:19 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 14/16] 48bit super block (metadata) changes Mingming Cao
2006-06-30  0:19 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 15/16] compile warning fix and change 64bit to INCOMPAT feature Mingming Cao
2006-06-30  0:19 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 16/16]Update ext3 superblock definition Mingming Cao
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2006-06-14 16:45                                     ` [Ext2-devel] [RFC 0/13] extents and 48bit ext3 Bodo Eggert

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