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From: david@lang.hm
To: Joshua Brindle <method@manicmethod.com>
Cc: Lars Marowsky-Bree <lmb@suse.de>,
	Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Crispin Cowan <crispin@novell.com>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	Andreas Gruenbacher <agruen@suse.de>,
	jjohansen@suse.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:28:57 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706211722440.31603@asgard.lang.hm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <467B14D9.8050000@manicmethod.com>

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Joshua Brindle wrote:

> Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:
>>  On 2007-06-21T16:59:54, Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov> wrote:
>>  <snip>
>>
>> 
>> >  Um, no.  It might not be able to directly open files via that path, but
>> >  showing that it can never read or write your mail is a rather different
>> >  matter.
>> > 
>>
>>  Yes. Your use case is different than mine.
>> 
>
> So.. your use case is what? If an AA user asked you to protect his mail from 
> his browser I'm sure you'd truthfully answer "no, we can't do that but we can 
> protect the path to your mail from your browser".. I think not. One need only 
> look at the wonderful marketing literature for AA to see what you are telling 
> people it can do, and your above statement isn't consistent with that, sorry.

remember, the policies define a white-list

so if a hacker wants to have mozilla access the mail files he needs to get 
some other process on the sysstem to create a link or move a file to a 
path that mozilla does have access to. until that is done there is no way 
for mozilla to access the mail through the filesystem.

other programs could be run that would give mozilla access to the mail 
contents, but it would be through some other path that the policy 
permitted mozilla accessing in the first place.

David Lang

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-06-22  0:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 213+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-14 11:06 [AppArmor 00/45] AppArmor security module overview jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 01/45] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_create LSM hook jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 02/45] Pass struct path down to remove_suid and children jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 03/45] Add a vfsmount parameter to notify_change() jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 04/45] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_setattr LSM hook jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 05/45] Add struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_mkdir() jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 06/45] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_mkdir LSM hook jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 07/45] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_mknod() jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 08/45] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_mknod LSM hook jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 09/45] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_symlink() jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 10/45] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_symlink LSM hook jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 11/45] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_readlink " jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 12/45] Add struct vfsmount parameters to vfs_link() jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 13/45] Pass the struct vfsmounts to the inode_link LSM hook jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 14/45] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_rmdir() jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 15/45] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_rmdir LSM hook jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 16/45] Call lsm hook before unhashing dentry in vfs_rmdir() jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 17/45] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_unlink() jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 18/45] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_unlink LSM hook jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 19/45] Add struct vfsmount parameters to vfs_rename() jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 20/45] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_rename LSM hook jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 21/45] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_setxattr() jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 22/45] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_setxattr LSM hook jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 23/45] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_getxattr() jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 24/45] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_getxattr LSM hook jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 25/45] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_listxattr() jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 26/45] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_listxattr LSM hook jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 27/45] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_removexattr() jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 28/45] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_removexattr LSM hook jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 29/45] Fix __d_path() for lazy unmounts and make it unambiguous jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 30/45] Make d_path() consistent across mount operations jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 31/45] Add d_namespace_path() to compute namespace relative pathnames jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 32/45] Enable LSM hooks to distinguish operations on file descriptors from operations on pathnames jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 33/45] Pass struct file down the inode_*xattr security LSM hooks jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 34/45] Factor out sysctl pathname code jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 35/45] Allow permission functions to tell between parent and leaf checks jjohansen
2007-05-15  9:08   ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 36/45] Export audit subsystem for use by modules jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 37/45] AppArmor: Main Part jjohansen
2007-05-15  9:12   ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 38/45] AppArmor: Module and LSM hooks jjohansen
2007-05-15  9:14   ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-23 16:16     ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-06-04 10:55       ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-04 11:25         ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-06-04 11:35           ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-04 11:42             ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-06-04 13:12               ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-04 14:30                 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-06-06 13:09                   ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-10 23:10                     ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-06-11 14:33                       ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-11 15:55                         ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-06-11 19:02                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-12 13:00                             ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-12 15:34                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-12  5:17                                 ` Karl MacMillan
2007-06-12 19:00                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-12 13:13                           ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-12 23:50                         ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-06-09 12:58                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-09 13:44                     ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-06-12 13:06                       ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching jjohansen
2007-05-15  9:20   ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-04 21:03     ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-06-06 13:26       ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-06 17:32         ` Greg KH
2007-06-09 23:47           ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-08 22:03         ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-06-09  0:17           ` Greg KH
2007-06-09  1:06             ` david
2007-06-10  8:34               ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-10  9:04                 ` david
2007-06-10 20:04                   ` Casey Schaufler
2007-06-10 20:51                     ` Crispin Cowan
2007-06-11  6:45                       ` david
2007-06-11  8:29                         ` Sean
2007-06-11  9:33                           ` david
2007-06-11 11:34                             ` Sean
2007-06-11 11:00                         ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-10 21:05                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-11  6:27                     ` david
2007-06-14 19:16                       ` Jack Stone
2007-06-15  0:18                         ` david
2007-06-15 17:01                           ` Greg KH
2007-06-12 17:03                     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2007-06-09  5:18             ` david
2007-06-09  5:46               ` Sean
2007-06-09  7:13                 ` david
2007-06-09  7:36                   ` Sean
2007-06-09  8:06                     ` david
2007-06-09  8:10                       ` Sean
2007-06-09 15:17                         ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-06-09 16:36                           ` Sean
2007-06-09 15:33                   ` Joshua Brindle
2007-06-09 16:18               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-06-09 16:46                 ` david
2007-06-09 17:06                   ` Kyle Moffett
2007-06-09 17:32                     ` david
2007-06-09 19:50                       ` Kyle Moffett
2007-06-09 20:43                         ` david
2007-06-10 20:54               ` Crispin Cowan
2007-06-10 21:17                 ` Joshua Brindle
2007-06-09 15:05             ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-06-10 17:09             ` Crispin Cowan
2007-06-15 16:50               ` Greg KH
2007-06-15 18:01                 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-06-15 18:15                   ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-15 20:43                     ` Casey Schaufler
2007-06-15 21:14                       ` Greg KH
2007-06-15 21:28                         ` Karl MacMillan
2007-06-15 21:44                           ` Greg KH
2007-06-15 22:24                             ` Karl MacMillan
2007-06-18 13:33                               ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-21 15:54                                 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-06-15 22:37                         ` Casey Schaufler
2007-06-18 12:47                       ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-15 20:06                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-15 21:11                   ` Greg KH
2007-06-15 21:42                     ` James Morris
2007-06-15 23:50                       ` Greg KH
2007-06-16  1:21                         ` James Morris
2007-06-16  2:57                           ` Casey Schaufler
2007-06-16  3:39                             ` James Morris
2007-06-18  1:51                               ` Casey Schaufler
2007-06-18 11:29                                 ` Joshua Brindle
2007-06-16  4:23                           ` Greg KH
2007-06-15 23:30                     ` Crispin Cowan
2007-06-15 23:49                       ` Greg KH
2007-06-16  0:01                         ` david
2007-06-16  0:20                           ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-22  9:59                             ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-06-16  0:31                           ` Greg KH
2007-06-16  8:09                             ` david
2007-06-16 16:24                               ` Greg KH
2007-06-16  1:41                           ` James Morris
2007-06-16  0:18                         ` Seth Arnold
2007-06-16  0:29                           ` Greg KH
2007-06-16  1:46                           ` James Morris
2007-06-16  2:19                           ` James Morris
2007-06-18 18:48                         ` Crispin Cowan
2007-06-21 16:01                         ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-06-21 17:59                           ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-16  0:02                       ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-21 16:08                         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2007-06-21 18:33                           ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-21 19:24                             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2007-06-21 19:42                               ` James Morris
2007-06-21 19:54                                 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2007-06-21 20:59                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-21 21:17                                     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2007-06-22  0:16                                       ` Joshua Brindle
2007-06-22  0:19                                         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2007-06-22  0:28                                         ` david [this message]
2007-06-22  3:45                                           ` Joshua Brindle
2007-06-22  5:07                                             ` david
2007-06-22 10:49                                             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2007-06-22 11:19                                       ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-22 11:34                                         ` Neil Brown
2007-06-22 11:48                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-22 11:37                                         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2007-06-22 12:41                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-22 12:54                                             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2007-06-22 13:22                                               ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-22 14:49                                                 ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-22 16:06                                             ` Casey Schaufler
2007-06-22  0:34                                     ` Chris Mason
2007-06-22  1:06                                       ` James Morris
2007-06-22  4:17                                         ` Crispin Cowan
2007-06-22 12:20                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-22  7:40                                         ` John Johansen
2007-06-22 12:17                                         ` Chris Mason
2007-06-22 13:48                                           ` James Morris
2007-06-22 14:02                                             ` Chris Mason
2007-06-22 14:23                                               ` James Morris
2007-06-22 17:30                                                 ` Chris Mason
2007-06-23  0:11                                                   ` Chris Wright
2007-06-24  0:10                                                     ` Toshiharu Harada
2007-06-24  0:40                                                       ` Toshiharu Harada
2007-06-26 21:01                                                     ` Crispin Cowan
2007-06-24 20:43                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-22 18:12                                                 ` david
2007-06-25 15:14                                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-25 21:02                                                 ` david
2007-06-26  8:50                                                 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2007-06-22  8:06                                     ` John Johansen
2007-06-22 11:53                                       ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-22 12:42                                         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2007-06-22 12:46                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-22 18:35                                         ` david
2007-06-21 20:07                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-21 20:21                                 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2007-06-21 23:25                                   ` John Johansen
2007-06-21 19:30                             ` david
2007-06-21 19:35                               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2007-06-21 19:52                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-15 23:33                   ` Seth Arnold
2007-06-15 23:39                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-16  0:07                       ` Seth Arnold
2007-06-11 15:16           ` Stephen Smalley
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 40/45] AppArmor: all the rest jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 41/45] Add AppArmor LSM to security/Makefile jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 42/45] AppArmor: add lock subtyping so lockdep does not report false dependencies jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 43/45] Switch to vfs_permission() in do_path_lookup() jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 44/45] Switch to vfs_permission() in sys_fchdir() jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 45/45] Fix file_permission() jjohansen
2007-05-14 13:50 ` [AppArmor 00/45] AppArmor security module overview John Johansen

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