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From: Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Jeff Chua <jeff.chua.linux@gmail.com>,
	Lai Jiangshan <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Introduce a method to catch mmap_region (was: Recent kernel "mount" slow)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:29:40 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1211281540200.5283@file.rdu.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFyXS0nkDB95c3pcdg1ctrNnUGO8aDuRNhKSEg3JrOqWhA@mail.gmail.com>



On Wed, 28 Nov 2012, Linus Torvalds wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Linus Torvalds
> <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> >
> > mmap() is in *no* way special. The exact same thing happens for
> > regular read/write. Yet somehow the mmap code is special-cased, while
> > the normal read-write code is not.
> 
> I just double-checked, because it's been a long time since I actually
> looked at the code.
> 
> But yeah, block device read/write uses the pure page cache functions.
> IOW, it has the *exact* same IO engine as mmap() would have.
> 
> So here's my suggestion:
> 
>  - get rid of *all* the locking in aio_read/write and the splice paths
>  - get rid of all the stupid mmap games
> 
>  - instead, add them to the functions that actually use
> "blkdev_get_block()" and "blkdev_get_blocks()" and nowhere else.
> 
>    That's a fairly limited number of functions:
> blkdev_{read,write}page(), blkdev_direct_IO() and
> blkdev_write_{begin,end}()
> 
> Doesn't that sounds simpler? And more logical: it protects the actual
> places that use the block size of the device.
> 
> I dunno. Maybe there is some fundamental reason why the above is
> broken, but it seems to be a much simpler approach. Sure, you need to
> guarantee that the people who get the write-lock cannot possibly cause
> IO while holding it, but since the only reason to get the write lock
> would be to change the block size, that should be pretty simple, no?
> 
> Yeah, yeah, I'm probably missing something fundamental, but the above
> sounds like the simple approach to fixing things. Aiming for having
> the block size read-lock be taken by the things that pass in the
> block-size itself.
> 
> It would be nice for things to be logical and straightforward.
> 
>                    Linus


The problem with this approach is that it is very easy to miss points 
where it is assumed that the block size doesn't change - and if you miss a 
point, it results in a hidden bug that has a little possibility of being 
found.

For example, __block_write_full_page and __block_write_begin do
	if (!page_has_buffers(page)) { create_empty_buffers... }
and then they do
	WARN_ON(bh->b_size != blocksize)
	err = get_block(inode, block, bh, 1)

... so if the buffers were left over from some previous call to 
create_empty_buffers with a different blocksize, that WARN_ON is trigged. 
And it's not only a harmless warning - now bh->b_size is left set to the 
old block size, but bh->b_blocknr is set to a number, that was calculated 
according to the new block size - and when you submit that buffer with 
submit_bh, it is written to the wrong place!

Now, prove that there are no more bugs like this.


Locking the whole read/write/mmap operations is crude, but at least it can 
be done without thorough review of all the memory management code.

Mikulas

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-11-28 21:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2012-11-20 18:09 ` Recent kernel "mount" slow Jan Kara
2012-11-21 15:46   ` Jeff Chua
2012-11-22 14:30     ` Jeff Chua
2012-11-22 19:21       ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-23 13:24         ` Jens Axboe
2012-11-23 22:21           ` Jeff Chua
2012-11-23 23:31             ` Jeff Chua
2012-11-23 23:48               ` Jeff Chua
2012-11-24 21:09             ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-24 23:23               ` Jeff Chua
2012-11-27  5:57                 ` Jeff Chua
2012-11-27  7:38                   ` Jens Axboe
2012-11-27  7:44                     ` Jens Axboe
2012-11-27  8:45                       ` Jeff Chua
2012-11-27 10:06                     ` Jeff Chua
2012-11-27 12:33                       ` Jens Axboe
2012-11-28  3:57                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-28  8:33                           ` Jens Axboe
2012-11-28 13:05                             ` Jeff Chua
2012-11-28 17:25                             ` [PATCH] Introduce a method to catch mmap_region (was: Recent kernel "mount" slow) Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-28 19:15                               ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-28 19:43                                 ` Al Viro
2012-11-28 19:53                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-28 22:01                                   ` [PATCH v2] Do a proper locking for mmap and block size change Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-29 17:19                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-29 18:23                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-29 18:46                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-29 19:02                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-29 19:15                                         ` Chris Mason
2012-11-29 19:26                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-29 19:48                                             ` Chris Mason
2012-11-29 19:55                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-29 20:10                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-29 20:52                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-29 21:29                                                 ` Chris Mason
2012-11-29 22:16                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-29 22:36                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-30  1:16                                                       ` Chris Mason
2012-11-30  2:13                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-30  2:27                                                           ` Chris Mason
2012-11-30  2:49                                                     ` Dave Chinner
2012-11-30 14:31                                                       ` Chris Mason
2012-11-30 16:42                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-30 16:36                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2012-11-30 22:40                                                         ` Dave Chinner
2012-11-30 23:09                                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2012-11-29 19:50                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-28 19:50                                 ` [PATCH] Introduce a method to catch mmap_region (was: Recent kernel "mount" slow) Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-28 20:03                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-28 20:13                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-28 20:32                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-28 20:47                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-28 22:10                                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-28 21:29                                       ` Mikulas Patocka [this message]
2012-11-28 22:52                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-28 23:13                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-29  1:20                                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-29  0:38                                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-29  2:04                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-29  2:58                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-29  6:16                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-29  6:25                                                   ` Al Viro
2012-11-29  6:30                                                     ` Al Viro
2012-11-29  6:37                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-29  6:45                                                         ` Al Viro
2012-11-29 10:57                                                           ` Jeff Chua
2012-11-29  6:33                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-29 14:12                                                   ` Chris Mason
2012-11-29 17:26                                                     ` Chris Mason
2012-11-29 17:26                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-29 17:51                                                       ` Chris Mason
2012-11-29 18:12                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-28  3:59                       ` [PATCH 1/2] percpu-rwsem: use synchronize_sched_expedited Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-28  4:01                         ` [PATCH 2/2] block_dev: don't take the write lock if block size doesn't change Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-28 14:24                           ` Jeff Chua
2012-11-28 22:03                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-28 14:19                         ` [PATCH 1/2] percpu-rwsem: use synchronize_sched_expedited Jeff Chua
2012-11-30  0:06                         ` Andrew Morton
2012-11-30  3:00                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-30 13:42                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-30 18:57                           ` Oleg Nesterov

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