From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
Damien Le Moal <damien.lemoal@opensource.wdc.com>,
Wei Chen <harperchen1110@gmail.com>,
linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
syzkaller-bugs@googlegroups.com,
syzbot <syzkaller@googlegroups.com>,
linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: possible deadlock in __ata_sff_interrupt
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2022 18:59:15 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y50wg46lO8VuBPAe@Boquns-Mac-mini.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wj7FpAXZ0hnPKh-5CG-ZW8BmOhd4tEW+J7ryW26fkcDNA@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 08:31:54PM -0600, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> Ok, let's bring in Waiman for the rwlock side.
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 5:54 PM Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Right, for a reader not in_interrupt(), it may be blocked by a random
> > waiting writer because of the fairness, even the lock is currently held
> > by a reader:
> >
> > CPU 1 CPU 2 CPU 3
> > read_lock(&tasklist_lock); // get the lock
> >
> > write_lock_irq(&tasklist_lock); // wait for the lock
> >
> > read_lock(&tasklist_lock); // cannot get the lock because of the fairness
>
> But this should be ok - because CPU1 can make progress and eventually
> release the lock.
>
Yes.
> So the tasklist_lock use is fine on its own - the reason interrupts
> are special is because an interrupt on CPU 1 taking the lock for
> reading would deadlock otherwise. As long as it happens on another
> CPU, the original CPU should then be able to make progress.
>
> But the problem here seems to be thst *another* lock is also involved
> (in this case apparently "host->lock", and now if CPU1 and CPU2 get
> these two locks in a different order, you can get an ABBA deadlock.
>
Right.
> And apparently our lockdep machinery doesn't catch that issue, so it
> doesn't get flagged.
>
I'm confused. Isn't the original problem showing that lockdep catches
this?
> I'm not sure what the lockdep rules for rwlocks are, but maybe lockdep
> treats rwlocks as being _always_ unfair, not knowing about that "it's
> only unfair when it's in interrupt context".
>
The rules nowadays are:
* If the reader is in_interrupt() or queued-spinlock implemention
is not used, it's an unfair reader, i.e. it won't wait for
any existing writer.
* Otherwise, it's a fair reader.
> Maybe we need to always make rwlock unfair? Possibly only for tasklist_lock?
>
That's possible, but I need to make sure I understand the issue for
lockdep. It's that lockdep misses catching something or it has a false
positive?
Regards,
Boqun
> Oh, how I hate tasklist_lock. It's pretty much our one remaining "one
> big lock". It's been a pain for a long long time.
>
> Linus
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Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2022-12-15 9:48 ` possible deadlock in __ata_sff_interrupt Damien Le Moal
2022-12-15 15:19 ` Al Viro
2022-12-16 1:44 ` Damien Le Moal
2022-12-16 3:41 ` Al Viro
2022-12-16 11:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-12-16 23:39 ` Al Viro
2022-12-16 23:54 ` Boqun Feng
2022-12-17 1:59 ` Al Viro
2022-12-17 3:25 ` Boqun Feng
2022-12-17 2:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-12-17 2:59 ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2022-12-17 3:05 ` Al Viro
2022-12-17 4:41 ` Waiman Long
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