From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
Zhengyuan Liu <liuzhengyuang521@gmail.com>,
yukuai3@huawei.com, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Dirty bits and sync writes
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 16:30:15 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <YRFKB0rBU51O1YpD@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YRFAWPdMHp8Wpds/@infradead.org>
On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 03:48:56PM +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 03, 2021 at 04:28:14PM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > Solution 1: Add an array of dirty bits to the iomap_page
> > data structure. This patch already exists; would need
> > to be adjusted slightly to apply to the current tree.
> > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-xfs/7fb4bb5a-adc7-5914-3aae-179dd8f3adb1@huawei.com/
>
> > Solution 2a: Replace the array of uptodate bits with an array of
> > dirty bits. It is not often useful to know which parts of the page are
> > uptodate; usually the entire page is uptodate. We can actually use the
> > dirty bits for the same purpose as uptodate bits; if a block is dirty, it
> > is definitely uptodate. If a block is !dirty, and the page is !uptodate,
> > the block may or may not be uptodate, but it can be safely re-read from
> > storage without losing any data.
>
> 1 or 2a seems like something we should do once we have lage folio
> support.
>
>
> > Solution 2b: Lose the concept of partially uptodate pages. If we're
> > going to write to a partial page, just bring the entire page uptodate
> > first, then write to it. It's not clear to me that partially-uptodate
> > pages are really useful. I don't know of any network filesystems that
> > support partially-uptodate pages, for example. It seems to have been
> > something we did for buffer_head based filesystems "because we could"
> > rather than finding a workload that actually cares.
>
> The uptodate bit is important for the use case of a smaller than page
> size buffered write into a page that hasn't been read in already, which
> is fairly common for things like log writes. So I'd hate to lose this
> optimization.
>
> > (it occurs to me that solution 3 actually allows us to do IOs at storage
> > block size instead of filesystem block size, potentially reducing write
> > amplification even more, although we will need to be a bit careful if
> > we're doing a CoW.)
>
> number 3 might be nice optimization. The even better version would
> be a disk format change to just log those updates in the log and
> otherwise use the normal dirty mechanism. I once had a crude prototype
> for that.
That's a bit beyond my scope at this point. I'm currently working on
write-through. Once I have that working, I think the next step is:
- Replace the ->uptodate array with a ->dirty array
- If the entire page is Uptodate, drop the iomap_page. That means that
writebacks will write back the entire folio, not just the dirty
pieces.
- If doing a partial page write
- If the write is block-aligned (offset & length), leave the page
!Uptodate and mark the dirty blocks
- Otherwise bring the entire page Uptodate first, then mark it dirty
To take an example of a 512-byte block size file accepting a 520 byte
write at offset 500, we currently submit two reads, one for bytes 0-511
and the second for 1024-1535. We're better off submitting a read for
bytes 0-4095 and then overwriting the entire thing.
But it's still better to do no reads at all if someone submits a write
for bytes 512-1023, or 512-N where N is past EOF. And I'd preserve
that behaviour.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-08-09 15:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-08-03 15:28 Dirty bits and sync writes Matthew Wilcox
2021-08-09 14:48 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-08-09 15:30 ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2021-08-11 19:04 ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-11 19:42 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-08-11 20:40 ` Jeff Layton
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