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From: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
To: Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk@kernel.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>, Chao Yu <chao@kernel.org>,
	Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] f2fs: remove broken support for allocating DIO writes
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 17:06:22 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YRxO/tzo15OTfbaZ@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YRwrDdcryfTH4Vwi@google.com>

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 02:33:01PM -0700, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
> On 08/17, Eric Biggers wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 11:57:46AM -0700, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
> > > On 08/17, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 07:03:21PM -0700, Eric Biggers wrote:
> > > > > Freeing preallocated blocks on error would be better than nothing, although note
> > > > > that the preallocated blocks may have filled an arbitrary sequence of holes --
> > > > > so simply truncating past EOF would *not* be sufficient.
> > > > > 
> > > > > But really filesystems need to be designed to never expose uninitialized data,
> > > > > even if I/O errors or a sudden power failure occurs.  It is unfortunate that
> > > > > f2fs apparently wasn't designed with that goal in mind.
> > > > > 
> > > > > In any case, I don't think we can proceed with any other f2fs direct I/O
> > > > > improvements until this data leakage bug can be solved one way or another.  If
> > > > > my patch to remove support for allocating writes isn't acceptable and the
> > > > > desired solution is going to require some more invasive f2fs surgery, are you or
> > > > > Chao going to work on it?  I'm not sure there's much I can do here.
> > > > 
> > > > Btw, this is generally a problem for buffered I/O as well, although the
> > > > window for exposing uninitialized blocks on a crash tends to be smaller.
> > > 
> > > How about adding a warning message when we meet an error with preallocated
> > > unwritten blocks? In the meantime, can we get the Eric's patches for iomap
> > > support? I feel that we only need to modify the preallocation and error
> > > handling parts?
> > 
> > A warning message would do nothing to prevent uninitialized blocks from being
> > leaked to userspace.
> 
> To give a signal that it's a known issue that we'll fix later.
> 

This bug is concerning mainly because it's a security vulnerability: anyone with
read+write access to just one file on an f2fs filesystem can effectively read
all other files on that filesystem.  A warning message wouldn't change that.

And even in the case of this bug breaking a non-malicious program, hardly anyone
reads kernel log messages anyway.  If something is broken, having a log message
that says "yeah, this is broken, sorry" isn't going to accomplish much...

- Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2021-08-18  0:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-28  1:51 [PATCH] f2fs: remove broken support for allocating DIO writes Eric Biggers
2021-07-30 19:17 ` Eric Biggers
2021-07-30 22:12   ` Jaegeuk Kim
2021-07-30 22:19     ` Eric Biggers
2021-07-31  1:05       ` Jaegeuk Kim
2021-07-31  1:18         ` Eric Biggers
2021-07-31  2:46   ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-08-02  4:39     ` Eric Biggers
2021-08-02  9:00       ` Chao Yu
2021-08-02 18:23         ` Jaegeuk Kim
2021-08-03  1:19           ` Chao Yu
2021-08-03  1:34             ` Jaegeuk Kim
2021-08-17  2:03               ` Eric Biggers
2021-08-17  5:42                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-08-17 18:57                   ` Jaegeuk Kim
2021-08-17 20:27                     ` Eric Biggers
2021-08-17 21:33                       ` Jaegeuk Kim
2021-08-18  0:06                         ` Eric Biggers [this message]
2021-08-20  9:35                 ` Chao Yu
2021-08-20 18:11                   ` Eric Biggers
2021-08-20 22:01                     ` Chao Yu

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