From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Brian Foster <bfoster@redhat.com>, Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-xfs <linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org>,
Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
Namjae Jeon <namjae.jeon@samsung.com>,
Ashish Sangwan <a.sangwan@samsung.com>,
Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: writeback completion soft lockup BUG in folio_wake_bit()
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2022 21:16:20 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <YjOlJL7xwktKoLFN@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wiZvOpaP0DVyqOnspFqpXRaT6q53=gnA2psxnf5dbt7bw@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 12:26:35PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 8:04 AM Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org> wrote:
> >
> > So how about we do something like this:
> >
> > - Make folio_start_writeback() and set_page_writeback() return void,
> > fixing up AFS and NFS.
> > - Add a folio_wait_start_writeback() to use in the VFS
> > - Remove the calls to set_page_writeback() in the filesystems
>
> That sounds lovely, but it does worry me a bit. Not just the odd
> 'keepwrite' thing, but also the whole ordering between the folio bit
> and the tagging bits. Does the ordering possibly matter?
I wouldn't change the ordering of setting the xarray bits and the
writeback flag; they'd just be set a little earlier. It'd all be done
while the page was still locked. But you're right, there's lots of
subtle interactions here.
> That whole "xyz_writeback_keepwrite()" thing seems odd. It's used in
> only one place (the folio version isn't used at all):
>
> ext4_writepage():
>
> ext4_walk_page_buffers() fails:
> redirty_page_for_writepage(wbc, page);
> keep_towrite = true;
> ext4_bio_write_page().
>
> which just looks odd. Why does it even try to continue to do the
> writepage when the page buffer thing has failed?
>
> In the regular write path (ie ext4_write_begin()), a
> ext4_walk_page_buffers() failure is fatal or causes a retry). Why is
> ext4_writepage() any different? Particularly since it wants to keep
> the page dirty, then trying to do the writeback just seems wrong.
>
> So this code is all a bit odd, I suspect there are decades of "people
> continued to do what they historically did" changes, and it is all
> worrisome.
I found the commit: 1c8349a17137 ("ext4: fix data integrity sync in
ordered mode"). Fortunately, we have a documented test for this,
generic/127, so we'll know if we've broken it.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-03-17 21:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-03-15 19:07 writeback completion soft lockup BUG in folio_wake_bit() Brian Foster
2022-03-16 20:59 ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-03-16 23:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-17 15:04 ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-03-17 19:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-17 21:16 ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2022-03-17 22:52 ` Dave Chinner
2022-03-18 13:16 ` Jan Kara
2022-03-18 18:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-19 16:23 ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-03-30 15:55 ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-17 15:31 ` Brian Foster
2022-03-17 13:51 ` Brian Foster
2022-03-18 14:14 ` Brian Foster
2022-03-18 14:45 ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-03-18 18:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-20 1:35 ` Dan Williams
2022-10-23 22:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-24 19:39 ` Tim Chen
2022-10-24 19:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-24 20:14 ` Dan Williams
2022-10-24 20:13 ` Dan Williams
2022-10-24 20:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-24 20:35 ` Dan Williams
2022-10-25 15:58 ` Arechiga Lopez, Jesus A
2022-10-25 19:19 ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-10-25 19:20 ` Linus Torvalds
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