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From: Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>
To: David Gow <davidgow@google.com>,
	Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Lucas De Marchi <lucas.demarchi@intel.com>,
	Aaron Tomlin <atomlin@redhat.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Brendan Higgins <brendanhiggins@google.com>,
	Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Guilherme G . Piccoli" <gpiccoli@igalia.com>,
	Sebastian Reichel <sre@kernel.org>,
	John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>,
	Joe Fradley <joefradley@google.com>,
	Daniel Latypov <dlatypov@google.com>,
	kunit-dev@googlegroups.com, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] kunit: Taint kernel if any tests run
Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 11:24:28 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Ym7QXOMK3fLQ+b6t@bombadil.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Ym7P7mCoMiQq99EM@bombadil.infradead.org>

On Sun, May 01, 2022 at 11:22:38AM -0700, Luis Chamberlain wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 11:00:19AM +0800, David Gow wrote:
> > KUnit tests are not supposed to run on production systems: they may do
> > deliberately illegal things to trigger errors, and have security
> > implications (assertions will often deliberately leak kernel addresses).
> > 
> > Add a new taint type, TAINT_KUNIT to signal that a KUnit test has been
> > run. This will be printed as 'N' (for kuNit, as K, U and T were already
> > taken).
> > 
> > This should discourage people from running KUnit tests on production
> > systems, and to make it easier to tell if tests have been run
> > accidentally (by loading the wrong configuration, etc.)
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: David Gow <davidgow@google.com>
> 
> There is no reason to distinguish kunit from selftests if the result is
> the same: really make the kernel try really insane stupid things which
> may crash it or put it into a bad state.
> 
> So no, this should be renamed to "TEST_BREAK" as I think outside of
> selftest and kunit we may grow the kernel to do stupid things outside
> of that domain and this gives us the flexilibilty to use that in other
> places as well.
> 
> It begs the question if we *should* allow userspace to volunterally say
> "hey, we are doing really insane things, brace yourself." Why ? Well
> because selftest has tons of modules. We either then define a macro
> that adds the taint for them and wrap the module declaration for it,
> or we expose a syctl to let userspace volunteer to opt-in to seggest
> we are about to try something stupid with the kernel including loading
> some dangeerous modules which may not have macros which taint the kernel.
> That would let selftest taint on *any* selftest. Because we can run all
> selftests or run one selftest.
> 
> Then, if such sysctl is exposed, maybe we should then also use this for
> example for blktests, fstests, fio tests, etc.

For got to expand to fsdevel and linux-block.

  Luis

       reply	other threads:[~2022-05-01 18:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20220429043913.626647-1-davidgow@google.com>
     [not found] ` <20220430030019.803481-1-davidgow@google.com>
     [not found]   ` <Ym7P7mCoMiQq99EM@bombadil.infradead.org>
2022-05-01 18:24     ` Luis Chamberlain [this message]
2022-05-03  6:49       ` [PATCH v2] kunit: Taint kernel if any tests run David Gow
2022-05-04 14:51         ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-05-04 16:25           ` Daniel Latypov
2022-05-04 18:46             ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-05-04 19:19               ` Daniel Latypov
2022-05-04 21:12                 ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-05-05  5:57                   ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-05-06  7:01                     ` David Gow
2022-05-09 20:43                       ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-05-13  8:32 ` [PATCH v3 1/3] panic: Taint kernel if tests are run David Gow
2022-05-13 15:35   ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-05-17 20:45   ` Brendan Higgins
2022-05-13  8:32 ` [PATCH v3 2/3] kunit: Taint the kernel when KUnit " David Gow
2022-05-13 15:36   ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-05-13 19:08   ` Daniel Latypov
2022-05-14  3:04     ` David Gow
2022-05-14 19:25       ` Daniel Latypov
2022-05-17 20:58         ` Brendan Higgins
2022-05-17 20:58   ` Brendan Higgins
2022-05-13  8:32 ` [PATCH v3 3/3] selftest: Taint kernel when test module loaded David Gow
2022-05-13 15:38   ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-05-14  8:34     ` David Gow

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