From: Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: Khalid Aziz <khalid.aziz@oracle.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/9] Add support for shared PTEs across processes
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2022 10:58:05 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Ys8HrW+52EwQbeh8@monkey> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <397f3cb2-1351-afcf-cd87-e8f9fb482059@redhat.com>
On 07/13/22 16:00, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 08.07.22 21:36, Khalid Aziz wrote:
> > On 7/8/22 05:47, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> >> On 02.07.22 06:24, Andrew Morton wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 16:53:51 -0600 Khalid Aziz <khalid.aziz@oracle.com> wrote:
>
> > suggestion to extend hugetlb PMD sharing was discussed briefly. Conclusion from that discussion and earlier discussion
> > on mailing list was hugetlb PMD sharing is built with special case code in too many places in the kernel and it is
> > better to replace it with something more general purpose than build even more on it. Mike can correct me if I got that
> > wrong.
>
> Yes, I pushed for the removal of that yet-another-hugetlb-special-stuff,
> and asked the honest question if we can just remove it and replace it by
> something generic in the future. And as I learned, we most probably
> cannot rip that out without affecting existing user space. Even
> replacing it by mshare() would degrade existing user space.
>
> So the natural thing to reduce page table consumption (again, what this
> cover letter talks about) for user space (semi- ?)automatically for
> MAP_SHARED files is to factor out what hugetlb has, and teach generic MM
> code to cache and reuse page tables (PTE and PMD tables should be
> sufficient) where suitable.
>
> For reasonably aligned mappings and mapping sizes, it shouldn't be too
> hard (I know, locking ...), to cache and reuse page tables attached to
> files -- similar to what hugetlb does, just in a generic way. We might
> want a mechanism to enable/disable this for specific processes and/or
> VMAs, but these are minor details.
>
> And that could come for free for existing user space, because page
> tables, and how they are handled, would just be an implementation detail.
>
>
> I'd be really interested into what the major roadblocks/downsides
> file-based page table sharing has. Because I am not convinced that a
> mechanism like mshare() -- that has to be explicitly implemented+used by
> user space -- is required for that.
Perhaps this is an 'opportunity' for me to write up in detail how
hugetlb pmd sharing works. As you know, I have been struggling with
keeping that working AND safe AND performant. Who knows, this may lead
to changes in the existing implementation.
--
Mike Kravetz
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-07-13 17:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-06-29 22:53 [PATCH v2 0/9] Add support for shared PTEs across processes Khalid Aziz
2022-06-29 22:53 ` [PATCH v2 1/9] mm: Add msharefs filesystem Khalid Aziz
2022-06-30 21:53 ` Darrick J. Wong
2022-07-01 16:05 ` Khalid Aziz
2022-06-30 22:57 ` Al Viro
2022-07-01 16:08 ` Khalid Aziz
2022-06-29 22:53 ` [PATCH v2 2/9] mm/mshare: pre-populate msharefs with information file Khalid Aziz
2022-06-30 21:37 ` Darrick J. Wong
2022-06-30 22:54 ` Khalid Aziz
2022-06-30 23:01 ` Al Viro
2022-07-01 16:11 ` Khalid Aziz
2022-06-29 22:53 ` [PATCH v2 3/9] mm/mshare: make msharefs writable and support directories Khalid Aziz
2022-06-30 21:34 ` Darrick J. Wong
2022-06-30 22:49 ` Khalid Aziz
2022-06-30 23:09 ` Al Viro
2022-07-02 0:22 ` Khalid Aziz
2022-06-29 22:53 ` [PATCH v2 4/9] mm/mshare: Add a read operation for msharefs files Khalid Aziz
2022-06-30 21:27 ` Darrick J. Wong
2022-06-30 22:27 ` Khalid Aziz
2022-06-29 22:53 ` [PATCH v2 5/9] mm/mshare: Add vm flag for shared PTE Khalid Aziz
2022-06-30 14:59 ` Mark Hemment
2022-06-30 15:46 ` Khalid Aziz
2022-06-29 22:53 ` [PATCH v2 6/9] mm/mshare: Add mmap operation Khalid Aziz
2022-06-30 21:44 ` Darrick J. Wong
2022-06-30 23:30 ` Khalid Aziz
2022-06-29 22:53 ` [PATCH v2 7/9] mm/mshare: Add unlink and munmap support Khalid Aziz
2022-06-30 21:50 ` Darrick J. Wong
2022-07-01 15:58 ` Khalid Aziz
2022-06-29 22:53 ` [PATCH v2 8/9] mm/mshare: Add basic page table sharing support Khalid Aziz
2022-07-07 9:13 ` Xin Hao
2022-07-07 15:33 ` Khalid Aziz
2022-06-29 22:54 ` [PATCH v2 9/9] mm/mshare: Enable mshare region mapping across processes Khalid Aziz
2022-06-30 11:57 ` [PATCH v2 0/9] Add support for shared PTEs " Mark Hemment
2022-06-30 15:39 ` Khalid Aziz
2022-07-02 4:24 ` Andrew Morton
2022-07-06 19:26 ` Khalid Aziz
2022-07-08 11:47 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-07-08 19:36 ` Khalid Aziz
2022-07-13 14:00 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-07-13 17:58 ` Mike Kravetz [this message]
2022-07-13 18:03 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-07-14 22:02 ` Khalid Aziz
2022-07-18 12:59 ` David Hildenbrand
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