From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 00/37] Add support for arm64 MTE dynamic tag storage reuse
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 16:24:30 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZOd2LvUKMguWdlgq@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0b9c122a-c05a-b3df-c69f-85f520294adc@redhat.com>
On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 01:25:41PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 24.08.23 13:06, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > On 24.08.23 12:44, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> > > The way MTE is implemented currently is to have a static carve-out of
> > > the DRAM to store the allocation tags (a.k.a. memory colour). This is
> > > what we call the tag storage. Each 16 bytes have 4 bits of tags, so this
> > > means 1/32 of the DRAM, roughly 3% used for the tag storage. This is
> > > done transparently by the hardware/interconnect (with firmware setup)
> > > and normally hidden from the OS. So a checked memory access to location
> > > X generates a tag fetch from location Y in the carve-out and this tag is
> > > compared with the bits 59:56 in the pointer. The correspondence from X
> > > to Y is linear (subject to a minimum block size to deal with some
> > > address interleaving). The software doesn't need to know about this
> > > correspondence as we have specific instructions like STG/LDG to location
> > > X that lead to a tag store/load to Y.
> > >
> > > Now, not all memory used by applications is tagged (mmap(PROT_MTE)).
> > > For example, some large allocations may not use PROT_MTE at all or only
> > > for the first and last page since initialising the tags takes time. The
> > > side-effect is that of these 3% DRAM, only part, say 1% is effectively
> > > used. Some people want the unused tag storage to be released for normal
> > > data usage (i.e. give it to the kernel page allocator).
[...]
> > So it sounds like you might want to provide that tag memory using CMA.
> >
> > That way, only movable allocations can end up on that CMA memory area,
> > and you can allocate selected tag pages on demand (similar to the
> > alloc_contig_range() use case).
> >
> > That also solves the issue that such tag memory must not be longterm-pinned.
> >
> > Regarding one complication: "The kernel needs to know where to allocate
> > a PROT_MTE page from or migrate a current page if it becomes PROT_MTE
> > (mprotect()) and the range it is in does not support tagging.",
> > simplified handling would be if it's in a MIGRATE_CMA pageblock, it
> > doesn't support tagging. You have to migrate to a !CMA page (for
> > example, not specifying GFP_MOVABLE as a quick way to achieve that).
>
> Okay, I now realize that this patch set effectively duplicates some CMA
> behavior using a new migrate-type.
Yes, pretty much, with some additional hooks to trigger migration. The
CMA mechanism was a great source of inspiration.
In addition, there are some races that are addressed mostly around page
migration/copying: the source page is untagged, the destination
allocated as untagged but before the copy an mprotect() makes the source
tagged (PG_mte_tagged set) and the copy_highpage() mechanism not having
anywhere to store the tags.
> Yeah, that's probably not what we want just to identify if memory is
> taggable or not.
>
> Maybe there is a way to just keep reusing most of CMA instead.
A potential issue is that devices (mobile phones) may need a different
CMA range as well for DMA (and not necessarily in ZONE_DMA). Can
free_area[MIGRATE_CMA] handle multiple disjoint ranges? I don't see why
not as it's just a list.
We (Google and Arm) went through a few rounds of discussions and
prototyping trying to find the best approach: (1) a separate free_area[]
array in each zone (early proof of concept from Peter C and Evgenii S,
https://github.com/google/sanitizers/tree/master/mte-dynamic-carveout),
(2) a new ZONE_METADATA, (3) a separate CPU-less NUMA node just for the
tag storage, (4) a new MIGRATE_METADATA type.
We settled on the latter as it closely resembles CMA without interfering
with it. I don't remember why we did not just go for MIGRATE_CMA, it may
have been the heterogeneous memory aspect and the fact that we don't
want PROT_MTE (VM_MTE) allocations from this range. If the hardware
allowed this, I think the patches would have been a bit simpler.
Alex can comment more next week on how we ended up with this choice but
if we find a way to avoid VM_MTE allocations from certain areas, I think
we can reuse the CMA infrastructure. A bigger hammer would be no VM_MTE
allocations from any CMA range but it seems too restrictive.
> Another simpler idea to get started would be to just intercept the first
> PROT_MTE, and allocate all CMA memory. In that case, systems that don't ever
> use PROT_MTE can have that additional 3% of memory.
We had this on the table as well but the most likely deployment, at
least initially, is only some secure services enabling MTE with various
apps gradually moving towards this in time. So that's why the main
pushback from vendors is having this 3% reserved permanently. Even if
all apps use MTE, only the anonymous mappings are PROT_MTE, so still not
fully using the tag storage.
--
Catalin
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-08-24 15:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-08-23 13:13 [PATCH RFC 00/37] Add support for arm64 MTE dynamic tag storage reuse Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 01/37] mm: page_alloc: Rename gfp_to_alloc_flags_cma -> gfp_to_alloc_flags_fast Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 02/37] arm64: mte: Rework naming for tag manipulation functions Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 03/37] arm64: mte: Rename __GFP_ZEROTAGS to __GFP_TAGGED Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 04/37] mm: Add MIGRATE_METADATA allocation policy Alexandru Elisei
[not found] ` <CGME20231012013834epcas2p28ff3162673294077caef3b0794b69e72@epcas2p2.samsung.com>
2023-10-12 1:28 ` Hyesoo Yu
2023-10-16 12:40 ` Alexandru Elisei
2023-10-23 7:52 ` Hyesoo Yu
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 05/37] mm: Add memory statistics for the " Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 06/37] mm: page_alloc: Allocate from movable pcp lists only if ALLOC_FROM_METADATA Alexandru Elisei
[not found] ` <CGME20231012013524epcas2p4b50f306e3e4d0b937b31f978022844e5@epcas2p4.samsung.com>
2023-10-12 1:25 ` Hyesoo Yu
2023-10-16 12:41 ` Alexandru Elisei
2023-10-17 10:26 ` Catalin Marinas
2023-10-23 7:16 ` Hyesoo Yu
2023-10-23 10:50 ` Catalin Marinas
2023-10-23 11:55 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-10-23 17:08 ` Catalin Marinas
2023-10-23 17:22 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 07/37] mm: page_alloc: Bypass pcp when freeing MIGRATE_METADATA pages Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 08/37] mm: compaction: Account for free metadata pages in __compact_finished() Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 09/37] mm: compaction: Handle metadata pages as source for direct compaction Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 10/37] mm: compaction: Do not use MIGRATE_METADATA to replace pages with metadata Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 11/37] mm: migrate/mempolicy: Allocate metadata-enabled destination page Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 12/37] mm: gup: Don't allow longterm pinning of MIGRATE_METADATA pages Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 13/37] arm64: mte: Reserve tag storage memory Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 14/37] arm64: mte: Expose tag storage pages to the MIGRATE_METADATA freelist Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 15/37] arm64: mte: Make tag storage depend on ARCH_KEEP_MEMBLOCK Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 16/37] arm64: mte: Move tag storage to MIGRATE_MOVABLE when MTE is disabled Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 17/37] arm64: mte: Disable dynamic tag storage management if HW KASAN is enabled Alexandru Elisei
[not found] ` <CGME20231012014514epcas2p3ca99a067f3044c5753309a08cd0b05c4@epcas2p3.samsung.com>
2023-10-12 1:35 ` Hyesoo Yu
2023-10-16 12:42 ` Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 18/37] arm64: mte: Check that tag storage blocks are in the same zone Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 19/37] mm: page_alloc: Manage metadata storage on page allocation Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 20/37] mm: compaction: Reserve metadata storage in compaction_alloc() Alexandru Elisei
2023-11-21 4:49 ` Peter Collingbourne
2023-11-21 11:54 ` Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 21/37] mm: khugepaged: Handle metadata-enabled VMAs Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 22/37] mm: shmem: Allocate metadata storage for in-memory filesystems Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 23/37] mm: Teach vma_alloc_folio() about metadata-enabled VMAs Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 24/37] mm: page_alloc: Teach alloc_contig_range() about MIGRATE_METADATA Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 25/37] arm64: mte: Manage tag storage on page allocation Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 26/37] arm64: mte: Perform CMOs for tag blocks on tagged page allocation/free Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 27/37] arm64: mte: Reserve tag block for the zero page Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 28/37] mm: sched: Introduce PF_MEMALLOC_ISOLATE Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 29/37] mm: arm64: Define the PAGE_METADATA_NONE page protection Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 30/37] mm: mprotect: arm64: Set PAGE_METADATA_NONE for mprotect(PROT_MTE) Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 31/37] mm: arm64: Set PAGE_METADATA_NONE in set_pte_at() if missing metadata storage Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 32/37] mm: Call arch_swap_prepare_to_restore() before arch_swap_restore() Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 33/37] arm64: mte: swap/copypage: Handle tag restoring when missing tag storage Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 34/37] arm64: mte: Handle fatal signal in reserve_metadata_storage() Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 35/37] mm: hugepage: Handle PAGE_METADATA_NONE faults for huge pages Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 36/37] KVM: arm64: Disable MTE is tag storage is enabled Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-23 13:13 ` [PATCH RFC 37/37] arm64: mte: Enable tag storage management Alexandru Elisei
2023-08-24 7:50 ` [PATCH RFC 00/37] Add support for arm64 MTE dynamic tag storage reuse David Hildenbrand
2023-08-24 10:44 ` Catalin Marinas
2023-08-24 11:06 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-24 11:25 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-24 15:24 ` Catalin Marinas [this message]
2023-09-06 11:23 ` Alexandru Elisei
2023-09-11 11:52 ` Catalin Marinas
2023-09-11 12:29 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-09-13 15:29 ` Catalin Marinas
[not found] ` <CGME20231025031004epcas2p485a0b7a9247bc61d54064d7f7bdd1e89@epcas2p4.samsung.com>
2023-10-25 2:59 ` Hyesoo Yu
2023-10-25 8:47 ` Alexandru Elisei
2023-10-25 8:52 ` Hyesoo Yu
2023-10-27 11:04 ` Catalin Marinas
2023-09-13 8:11 ` Kuan-Ying Lee (李冠穎)
2023-09-14 17:37 ` Catalin Marinas
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