From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E6FEE14C3 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2023 00:47:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S238207AbjIGArC (ORCPT ); Wed, 6 Sep 2023 20:47:02 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:36312 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S245036AbjIGArA (ORCPT ); Wed, 6 Sep 2023 20:47:00 -0400 Received: from mail-pl1-x635.google.com (mail-pl1-x635.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::635]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D97B81BCD for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2023 17:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pl1-x635.google.com with SMTP id d9443c01a7336-1bf11b1c7d0so11243035ad.0 for ; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 17:46:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1694047582; x=1694652382; darn=vger.kernel.org; h=in-reply-to:content-disposition:mime-version:references:message-id :subject:cc:to:from:date:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=57AXZJo8Jb4yjf847g3y+DgEAO9Dl3SA1ttEwigOllQ=; b=mBAfxVVCfYawe3EMbMuLzq6nw94lY4CRPM1RiVqAqyzUm90TpjXmllVVesxpslrF44 H8xNCNw/wv0fuJr7kopdFfpZRhYQvL0nZsxCuPYU3HlyKSJm7sWjkUip3v4obO7nQmSm qv2CQYuCym2X/ihs1qPLWCMzmkirhG44ExqOwRjk3bLUCRlBUryvPEv1FcrWmcEcfqCx 7QuGKSvAwUyhrPXHAdWKGDkA13ZzWQuzKU2cVeEZy7gA96NpVF4Et1FXMsMOfyUu3y87 pDDn7JT67u/Sio5GWGQX4j40pD9VXk3/HFt0JBkhsduhtNuvBClp+jE9QG8gHrwQaNvk Z2fQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1694047582; x=1694652382; h=in-reply-to:content-disposition:mime-version:references:message-id :subject:cc:to:from:date:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=57AXZJo8Jb4yjf847g3y+DgEAO9Dl3SA1ttEwigOllQ=; b=THWVY7mk8wd4sYjR+6XD8FAclGaLpa/XAwAMvaebwKr0D3fpkAHHX8XFTQP3Cgc+GJ 3O8fbeIJImRq+6FKH3T4CtQ9HaxFwe2Y3zdPcJjy0UQ8wulT0WNju0YhJac6dLBea/YM VlE0E44NNhU6CO3u2CD9R24mfK4t+U3EkSQHR+HkRdePVqUlmD/qC7ctc8IXtTq99Zm4 TQOIK6k1zTBUIkk/zy3RXuB/MuaU5996/v72io12XI8faruVAg+EUUacgMQkabameLz5 /OpDNkk3OmE6hylqMfn74+yjO6p9v2P/KGDCqmCeGWa+xFGyXV3st37tAm/5c9O5YeY0 9ZqQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwvqkO8Z1E7w4g062QpCrY6G7jFy+xlbxtBrz2jscv5pldTrs/Z cmVDz1sq3a0lqTe5PW9D1Zx7qKBJ+wQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGEshBV6LanzKkBw8uAV7S2uZK+tdl1sD5PiG2+b+JzII9K8RkucdgWdnRLDs6fkkw53Ayklg== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:da91:b0:1bd:f69e:a407 with SMTP id j17-20020a170902da9100b001bdf69ea407mr1884708plx.8.1694047582161; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 17:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from debian.me ([103.124.138.83]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a5-20020a170902ee8500b001bd62419744sm11582778pld.147.2023.09.06.17.46.21 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 06 Sep 2023 17:46:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by debian.me (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AD5FD8CEA49C; Thu, 7 Sep 2023 07:46:18 +0700 (WIB) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2023 07:46:17 +0700 From: Bagas Sanjaya To: Matthew Wilcox , Dave Chinner Cc: Christoph Hellwig , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS/KERNEL SUMMIT] Trust and maintenance of file systems Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4qbvKeCXYr1773C4" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org --4qbvKeCXYr1773C4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [disclaimer: I'm no expert here, just my opinion] On Wed, Sep 06, 2023 at 12:23:22AM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > I really feel we're between a rock and a hard place with our unmaintained > filesystems. They have users who care passionately, but not the ability > to maintain them. In OTW: these fses are in limbo state, which induces another question: how to get users of these into developers (and possibly maintainers) to get out of this unfortunate situation? Do we have to keep deprecated APIs they use indefinitely for the sake of servicing them without any transition plan to replacement APIs? Do akpm have to step in for that to happen? Thanks. --=20 An old man doll... just what I always wanted! - Clara --4qbvKeCXYr1773C4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEABYKAB0WIQSSYQ6Cy7oyFNCHrUH2uYlJVVFOowUCZPkdUQAKCRD2uYlJVVFO o/wyAQCltgShWt21XAnulgTA3k24PPQGghH2nW9zWxcXoTqJ2gD/aoeg4+SBzTiU vVUsoqmLmR/ddK9ZveVTugdKEhXIxwA= =M0u8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4qbvKeCXYr1773C4--