From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2C6CD13D2 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2023 17:00:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S231340AbjIRRA2 (ORCPT ); Mon, 18 Sep 2023 13:00:28 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:36150 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S231290AbjIRRAW (ORCPT ); Mon, 18 Sep 2023 13:00:22 -0400 Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com (us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com [170.10.129.124]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C7A697 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2023 09:59:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1695056369; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=BXEh9y2WIlpZ1qkBcixGcRigwMo4PIaBdg+Mgb1e5gE=; b=Y40dszS9fYmWS6ZoUbDGnYdtqacDYoHNbPXafzFLA2D3EXUv64LfuEmdV3qzi0rmobJkyk mCuhGHVI4tQNx0qMBQy9EOwuHKaHLW/L4D6zjrOxYU0jWJftWr7JGHEeI0mbQPZVgLGxcN JluyDKDlDU9ytSFwoDJw3+/tfm4fihs= Received: from mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (mimecast-mx02.redhat.com [66.187.233.88]) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP with STARTTLS (version=TLSv1.2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id us-mta-147-zuHtKiJ2OkyISODxxrfY9Q-1; Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:54:50 -0400 X-MC-Unique: zuHtKiJ2OkyISODxxrfY9Q-1 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx07.intmail.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com [10.11.54.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DE6C811E8F; Mon, 18 Sep 2023 14:54:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from redhat.com (unknown [10.22.18.43]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE70A140273E; Mon, 18 Sep 2023 14:54:48 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 09:54:47 -0500 From: Bill O'Donnell To: James Bottomley Cc: Dave Chinner , Linus Torvalds , Eric Sandeen , Steven Rostedt , Guenter Roeck , Christoph Hellwig , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS/KERNEL SUMMIT] Trust and maintenance of file systems Message-ID: References: <20230906215327.18a45c89@gandalf.local.home> <20230906225139.6ffe953c@gandalf.local.home> <20230907071801.1d37a3c5@gandalf.local.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 3.1 on 10.11.54.7 Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 05:50:50PM -0400, James Bottomley wrote: > On Sat, 2023-09-16 at 08:48 +1000, Dave Chinner wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 10:03:55AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > [...] > > >  - "they use the buffer cache". > > > > > > Waah, waah, waah. > > > > .... you dismiss those concerns in the same way a 6 year old school > > yard bully taunts his suffering victims. > > > > Regardless of the merits of the observation you've made, the tone > > and content of this response is *completely unacceptable*.  Please > > keep to technical arguments, Linus, because this sort of response > > has no merit what-so-ever. All it does is shut down the technical > > discussion because no-one wants to be the target of this sort of > > ugly abuse just for participating in a technical discussion. > > > > Given the number of top level maintainers that signed off on the CoC > > that are present in this forum, I had an expectation that this is a > > forum where bad behaviour is not tolerated at all.  So I've waited a > > couple of days to see if anyone in a project leadership position is > > going to say something about this comment..... > > > > > > > > The deafening silence of tacit acceptance is far more damning than > > the high pitched squeal of Linus's childish taunts. > > Well, let's face it: it's a pretty low level taunt and it wasn't aimed > at you (or indeed anyone on the thread that I could find) and it was > backed by technical argument in the next sentence. We all have a > tendency to let off steam about stuff in general not at people in > particular as you did here: > > https://lore.kernel.org/ksummit/ZP+vcgAOyfqWPcXT@dread.disaster.area/ > > But I didn't take it as anything more than a rant about AI in general > and syzbot in particular and certainly I didn't assume it was aimed at > me or anyone else. > > If everyone reached for the code of conduct when someone had a non- > specific rant using colourful phraseology, we'd be knee deep in > complaints, which is why we tend to be more circumspect when it > happens. It's the kind of response that intimidates some into not participating. Thanks- Bill > > James > >