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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Namjae Jeon <linkinjeon@kernel.org>,
	"Yuezhang.Mo@sony.com" <Yuezhang.Mo@sony.com>,
	"sj1557.seo@samsung.com" <sj1557.seo@samsung.com>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] exfat: fix file not locking when writing zeros in exfat_file_mmap()
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2024 02:54:24 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZbMe4CbbONCzfP7p@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZbMJWI6Bg4lTy1aZ@dread.disaster.area>

On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 12:22:32PM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 07:19:45PM +0900, Namjae Jeon wrote:
> > We need to consider the case that mmap against files with different
> > valid size and size created from Windows. So it needed to zero out in mmap.
> 
> That's a different case - that's a "read from a hole" case, not a
> "extending truncate" case. i.e. the range from 'valid size' to EOF
> is a range where no data has been written and so contains zeros.
> It is equivalent to either a hole in the file (no backing store) or
> an unwritten range (backing store instantiated but marked as
> containing no valid data).
> 
> When we consider this range as "reading from a hole/unwritten
> range", it should become obvious the correct way to handle this case
> is the same as every other filesystem that supports holes and/or
> unwritten extents: the page cache page gets zeroed in the
> readahead/readpage paths when it maps to a hole/unwritten range in
> the file.
> 
> There's no special locking needed if it is done this way, and
> there's no need for special hooks anywhere to zero data beyond valid
> size because it is already guaranteed to be zeroed in memory if the
> range is cached in the page cache.....

but the problem is that Microsoft half-arsed their support for holes.
See my other mail in this thread.

truncate the file up to 4TB
write a byte at offset 3TB

... now we have to stream 3TB of zeroes through the page cache so that
we can write the byte at 3TB.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-01-26  2:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-24  5:00 [PATCH] exfat: fix file not locking when writing zeros in exfat_file_mmap() Yuezhang.Mo
2024-01-24  5:21 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-01-24 10:05   ` Yuezhang.Mo
2024-01-24 14:02     ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-01-26  5:43       ` Yuezhang.Mo
2024-01-24 21:35     ` Dave Chinner
2024-01-25 10:19       ` Namjae Jeon
2024-01-26  1:22         ` Dave Chinner
2024-01-26  2:54           ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2024-01-26 22:32             ` Dave Chinner
2024-01-26 22:41               ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-03-06 22:31                 ` Dave Chinner

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