From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Namjae Jeon <linkinjeon@kernel.org>,
	"Yuezhang.Mo@sony.com" <Yuezhang.Mo@sony.com>,
	"sj1557.seo@samsung.com" <sj1557.seo@samsung.com>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] exfat: fix file not locking when writing zeros in exfat_file_mmap()
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2024 02:54:24 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZbMe4CbbONCzfP7p@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZbMJWI6Bg4lTy1aZ@dread.disaster.area>
On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 12:22:32PM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 07:19:45PM +0900, Namjae Jeon wrote:
> > We need to consider the case that mmap against files with different
> > valid size and size created from Windows. So it needed to zero out in mmap.
> 
> That's a different case - that's a "read from a hole" case, not a
> "extending truncate" case. i.e. the range from 'valid size' to EOF
> is a range where no data has been written and so contains zeros.
> It is equivalent to either a hole in the file (no backing store) or
> an unwritten range (backing store instantiated but marked as
> containing no valid data).
> 
> When we consider this range as "reading from a hole/unwritten
> range", it should become obvious the correct way to handle this case
> is the same as every other filesystem that supports holes and/or
> unwritten extents: the page cache page gets zeroed in the
> readahead/readpage paths when it maps to a hole/unwritten range in
> the file.
> 
> There's no special locking needed if it is done this way, and
> there's no need for special hooks anywhere to zero data beyond valid
> size because it is already guaranteed to be zeroed in memory if the
> range is cached in the page cache.....
but the problem is that Microsoft half-arsed their support for holes.
See my other mail in this thread.
truncate the file up to 4TB
write a byte at offset 3TB
... now we have to stream 3TB of zeroes through the page cache so that
we can write the byte at 3TB.
next prev parent reply	other threads:[~2024-01-26  2:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-24  5:00 [PATCH] exfat: fix file not locking when writing zeros in exfat_file_mmap() Yuezhang.Mo
2024-01-24  5:21 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-01-24 10:05   ` Yuezhang.Mo
2024-01-24 14:02     ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-01-26  5:43       ` Yuezhang.Mo
2024-01-24 21:35     ` Dave Chinner
2024-01-25 10:19       ` Namjae Jeon
2024-01-26  1:22         ` Dave Chinner
2024-01-26  2:54           ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2024-01-26 22:32             ` Dave Chinner
2024-01-26 22:41               ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-03-06 22:31                 ` Dave Chinner
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