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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
Cc: "Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)" <kernel@pankajraghav.com>,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	mcgrof@kernel.org, gost.dev@samsung.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, kbusch@kernel.org,
	chandan.babu@oracle.com, p.raghav@samsung.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, hare@suse.de, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	david@fromorbit.com
Subject: Re: [RFC v2 01/14] fs: Allow fine-grained control of folio sizes
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:00:05 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zc0NtZrnHIXrZy53@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240213212914.GW616564@frogsfrogsfrogs>

On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 01:29:14PM -0800, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 10:05:54PM +0100, Pankaj Raghav (Samsung) wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 08:34:31AM -0800, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> > > On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 10:37:00AM +0100, Pankaj Raghav (Samsung) wrote:
> > > > From: "Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)" <willy@infradead.org>
> > > > 
> > > > Some filesystems want to be able to limit the maximum size of folios,
> > > > and some want to be able to ensure that folios are at least a certain
> > > > size.  Add mapping_set_folio_orders() to allow this level of control.
> > > > The max folio order parameter is ignored and it is always set to
> > > > MAX_PAGECACHE_ORDER.
> > > 
> > > Why?  If MAX_PAGECACHE_ORDER is 8 and I instead pass in max==3, I'm
> > > going to be surprised by my constraint being ignored.  Maybe I said that
> > > because I'm not prepared to handle an order-7 folio; or some customer
> > > will have some weird desire to twist this knob to make their workflow
> > > faster.
> > > 
> > > --D
> > Maybe I should have been explicit. We are planning to add support
> > for min order in the first round, and we want to add support for max order
> > once the min order support is upstreamed. It was done mainly to reduce
> > the scope and testing of this series.
> > 
> > I definitely agree there are usecases for setting the max order. It is
> > also the feedback we got from LPC.
> > 
> > So one idea would be not to expose max option until we add the support
> > for max order? So filesystems can only set the min_order with the
> > initial support?
> 
> Yeah, there's really no point in having an argument that's deliberately
> ignored.

I favour introducing the right APIs even if they're not fully implemented.
We have no filesystems today that need this, so it doesn't need to
be implemented, but if we have to go back and add it, it's more churn
for every filesystem.  I'm open to better ideas about the API; I think
for a lot of filesystems they only want to set the minimum, so maybe
introducing that API now would be a good thing.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-02-14 19:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-13  9:36 [RFC v2 00/14] enable bs > ps in XFS Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2024-02-13  9:37 ` [RFC v2 01/14] fs: Allow fine-grained control of folio sizes Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2024-02-13 12:03   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-13 16:34   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-02-13 21:05     ` Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2024-02-13 21:29       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-02-14 19:00         ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2024-02-15 10:34           ` Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2024-02-14 18:49   ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-02-15 10:21     ` Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2024-02-13  9:37 ` [RFC v2 02/14] filemap: align the index to mapping_min_order in the page cache Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2024-02-13 12:20   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-13 21:13     ` Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2024-02-13 22:00   ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-13  9:37 ` [RFC v2 03/14] filemap: use mapping_min_order while allocating folios Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2024-02-13 14:58   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-13 16:38   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-02-13 22:05   ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-14 10:13     ` Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2024-02-13  9:37 ` [RFC v2 04/14] readahead: set file_ra_state->ra_pages to be at least mapping_min_order Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2024-02-13 14:59   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-13 16:46   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-02-13 22:09   ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-14 13:32     ` Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2024-02-14 13:53       ` Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2024-02-13  9:37 ` [RFC v2 05/14] readahead: align index to mapping_min_order in ondemand_ra and force_ra Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2024-02-13 15:00   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-13 16:46   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-02-13 22:29   ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-14 15:10     ` Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2024-02-13  9:37 ` [RFC v2 06/14] readahead: rework loop in page_cache_ra_unbounded() Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2024-02-13 16:47   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-02-13  9:37 ` [RFC v2 07/14] readahead: allocate folios with mapping_min_order in ra_(unbounded|order) Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2024-02-13 15:01   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-13 16:47   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-02-13  9:37 ` [RFC v2 08/14] mm: do not split a folio if it has minimum folio order requirement Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2024-02-13 15:02   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-13  9:37 ` [RFC v2 09/14] mm: Support order-1 folios in the page cache Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2024-02-13 15:03   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-13  9:37 ` [RFC v2 10/14] iomap: fix iomap_dio_zero() for fs bs > system page size Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2024-02-13 15:06   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-02-13 16:30   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-02-13 21:27     ` Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2024-02-13 21:30       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-02-14 15:13         ` Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2024-02-13  9:37 ` [RFC v2 11/14] xfs: expose block size in stat Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2024-02-13 16:27   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-02-13 21:32     ` Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2024-02-13  9:37 ` [RFC v2 12/14] xfs: make the calculation generic in xfs_sb_validate_fsb_count() Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2024-02-13 16:26   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-02-13 21:48     ` Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2024-02-13 22:44       ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-14 15:51         ` Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2024-02-13  9:37 ` [RFC v2 13/14] xfs: add an experimental CONFIG_XFS_LBS option Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2024-02-13 16:39   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-02-13 21:19   ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-13 21:54     ` Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2024-02-13 22:45       ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-13  9:37 ` [RFC v2 14/14] xfs: enable block size larger than page size support Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2024-02-13 16:20   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-02-14 16:40     ` Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2024-02-13 21:34   ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-14 16:35     ` Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2024-02-15 22:17       ` Dave Chinner

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