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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com>
Cc: Michael Roth <michael.roth@amd.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org,  Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
	"tabba@google.com" <tabba@google.com>,
	linux-coco@lists.linux.dev,  linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	 pbonzini@redhat.com, isaku.yamahata@intel.com,
	ackerleytng@google.com,  vbabka@suse.cz, ashish.kalra@amd.com,
	nikunj.dadhania@amd.com,  jroedel@suse.de, pankaj.gupta@amd.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC gmem v1 4/8] KVM: x86: Add gmem hook for invalidating memory
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2024 07:13:13 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZcZBCdTA2kBoSeL8@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <84d62953-527d-4837-acf8-315391f4b225@arm.com>

On Fri, Feb 09, 2024, Steven Price wrote:
> >> One option that I've considered is to implement a seperate CCA ioctl to
> >> notify KVM whether the memory should be mapped protected.
> > 
> > That's what KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES+KVM_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTE_PRIVATE is for, no?
> 
> Sorry, I really didn't explain that well. Yes effectively this is the
> attribute flag, but there's corner cases for destruction of the VM. My
> thought was that if the VMM wanted to tear down part of the protected
> range (without making it shared) then a separate ioctl would be needed
> to notify KVM of the unmap.

No new uAPI should be needed, because the only scenario time a benign VMM should
do this is if the guest also knows the memory is being removed, in which case
PUNCH_HOLE will suffice.

> >> This 'solves' the problem nicely except for the case where the VMM
> >> deliberately punches holes in memory which the guest is using.
> > 
> > I don't see what problem there is to solve in this case.  PUNCH_HOLE is destructive,
> > so don't do that.
> 
> A well behaving VMM wouldn't PUNCH_HOLE when the guest is using it, but
> my concern here is a VMM which is trying to break the host. In this case
> either the PUNCH_HOLE needs to fail, or we actually need to recover the
> memory from the guest (effectively killing the guest in the process).

The latter.  IIRC, we talked about this exact case somewhere in the hour-long
rambling discussion on guest_memfd at PUCK[1].  And we've definitely discussed
this multiple times on-list, though I don't know that there is a single thread
that captures the entire plan.

The TL;DR is that gmem will invoke an arch hook for every "struct kvm_gmem"
instance that's attached to a given guest_memfd inode when a page is being fully
removed, i.e. when a page is being freed back to the normal memory pool.  Something
like this proposed SNP patch[2].

Mike, do have WIP patches you can share?

[1] https://drive.google.com/corp/drive/folders/116YTH1h9yBZmjqeJc03cV4_AhSe-VBkc?resourcekey=0-sOGeFEUi60-znJJmZBsTHQ
[2] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20231230172351.574091-30-michael.roth@amd.com

  reply	other threads:[~2024-02-09 15:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-16 11:50 [PATCH RFC gmem v1 0/8] KVM: gmem hooks/changes needed for x86 (other archs?) Michael Roth
2023-10-16 11:50 ` [PATCH RFC gmem v1 1/8] mm: Introduce AS_INACCESSIBLE for encrypted/confidential memory Michael Roth
2023-10-16 11:50 ` [PATCH RFC gmem v1 2/8] KVM: Use AS_INACCESSIBLE when creating guest_memfd inode Michael Roth
2023-10-16 11:50 ` [PATCH RFC gmem v1 3/8] KVM: x86: Add gmem hook for initializing memory Michael Roth
2024-02-08 10:57   ` Suzuki K Poulose
2024-02-08 17:29     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-16 11:50 ` [PATCH RFC gmem v1 4/8] KVM: x86: Add gmem hook for invalidating memory Michael Roth
2024-02-09 10:11   ` Steven Price
2024-02-09 14:28     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-02-09 15:02       ` Steven Price
2024-02-09 15:13         ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2024-03-11 17:24           ` Michael Roth
2024-03-12 20:26             ` Sean Christopherson
2024-03-13 17:11               ` Steven Price
2023-10-16 11:50 ` [PATCH RFC gmem v1 5/8] KVM: x86/mmu: Pass around full 64-bit error code for KVM page faults Michael Roth
2023-10-16 11:50 ` [PATCH RFC gmem v1 6/8] KVM: x86: Add KVM_X86_SNP_VM vm_type Michael Roth
2023-10-16 11:50 ` [PATCH RFC gmem v1 7/8] KVM: x86: Define RMP page fault error bits for #NPF Michael Roth
2023-10-16 11:50 ` [PATCH RFC gmem v1 8/8] KVM: x86: Determine shared/private faults based on vm_type Michael Roth
2024-01-31  1:13   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-02-08  0:24     ` Michael Roth
2024-02-08 17:27       ` Sean Christopherson
2024-02-08 17:30         ` Paolo Bonzini

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