From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>
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Subject: Re: [RFC 2/2] rust: sync: Add atomic support
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2024 07:35:57 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zm74TbphTAU_1aBV@Boquns-Mac-mini.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Zm7zvt7cNT2YpiIi@Boquns-Mac-mini.home>
On Sun, Jun 16, 2024 at 07:16:30AM -0700, Boqun Feng wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 16, 2024 at 05:51:07AM -0400, Kent Overstreet wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 15, 2024 at 03:12:33PM -0700, Boqun Feng wrote:
> > > What's the issue of having AtomicI32 and AtomicI64 first then? We don't
> > > need to do 1 or 2 until the real users show up.
> > >
> > > And I'd like also to point out that there are a few more trait bound
> > > designs needed for Atomic<T>, for example, Atomic<u32> and Atomic<i32>
> > > have different sets of API (no inc_unless_negative() for u32).
> > >
> > > Don't make me wrong, I have no doubt we can handle this in the type
> > > system, but given the design work need, won't it make sense that we take
> > > baby steps on this? We can first introduce AtomicI32 and AtomicI64 which
> > > already have real users, and then if there are some values of generic
> > > atomics, we introduce them and have proper discussion on design.
> > >
> > > To me, it's perfectly fine that Atomic{I32,I64} co-exist with Atomic<T>.
> > > What's the downside? A bit specific example would help me understand
> > > the real concern here.
> >
> > Err, what?
> >
> > Of course we want generic atomics, and we need that for properly
> > supporting cmpxchg.
> >
>
> Nope. Note this series only introduces the atomic types (atomic_ C
> APIs), but cmpxchg C APIs (no atomic_ prefix) are probably presented via
> a different API, where we need to make it easier to interact with normal
> types, and we may use generic there.
>
Or it could be a generic function instead of generic type like:
pub unsafe fn cmpxchg<T>(ptr: * mut T, old: T, new T) -> T
the "unsafe" part is due to `ptr` may not be a valid pointer or this may
make normal accesses data race.
Regards,
Boqun
> > Bogun, you've got all the rust guys pushing for doing this with
> > generics, I'm not sure why you're being stubborn here?
>
> Hmm? Have you seen the email I replied to John, a broader Rust community
> seems doesn't appreciate the idea of generic atomics.
>
> Regards,
> Boqun
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-06-16 14:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-06-12 22:30 [RFC 0/2] Initial LKMM atomics support in Rust Boqun Feng
2024-06-12 22:30 ` [RFC 1/2] rust: Introduce atomic API helpers Boqun Feng
2024-06-13 5:38 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-06-13 9:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-06-13 10:03 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-06-13 10:36 ` Mark Rutland
2024-06-14 10:31 ` Mark Rutland
2024-06-14 20:13 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-12 22:30 ` [RFC 2/2] rust: sync: Add atomic support Boqun Feng
2024-06-13 5:40 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-06-13 13:44 ` Gary Guo
2024-06-13 16:30 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-13 17:19 ` Gary Guo
2024-06-13 17:22 ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-06-13 19:05 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-14 9:59 ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-06-14 14:33 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-14 21:22 ` Benno Lossin
2024-06-15 1:33 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-15 7:09 ` Benno Lossin
2024-06-15 22:12 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-16 9:46 ` Benno Lossin
2024-06-16 14:08 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-16 15:06 ` Benno Lossin
2024-06-16 15:34 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-16 15:55 ` Benno Lossin
2024-06-16 16:30 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-19 9:09 ` Benno Lossin
2024-06-19 15:00 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-16 17:05 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-16 9:51 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-06-16 14:16 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-16 14:35 ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2024-06-16 15:14 ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-06-16 15:32 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-06-16 15:54 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-16 17:30 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-16 17:59 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-06-16 15:50 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-16 15:23 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-06-15 1:03 ` John Hubbard
2024-06-15 1:24 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-15 1:28 ` John Hubbard
2024-06-15 2:39 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-15 2:51 ` John Hubbard
2024-06-16 14:51 ` Gary Guo
2024-06-16 15:06 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-17 5:36 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-17 5:42 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-19 9:30 ` Benno Lossin
2024-06-16 0:51 ` Andrew Lunn
2024-06-14 9:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-06-14 14:18 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-13 20:25 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-14 10:40 ` Mark Rutland
2024-06-14 20:20 ` Boqun Feng
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