From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC 2/2] rust: sync: Add atomic support
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2024 07:33:41 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZmxUxaIwHWnB42h-@Boquns-Mac-mini.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANiq72=JdqTRPiUfT=-YMTTN+bHeAe2Pba8nERxU3cN8Q-BEOw@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 11:59:58AM +0200, Miguel Ojeda wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 9:05 PM Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Does this make sense?
>
> Implementation-wise, if you think it is simpler or more clear/elegant
> to have the extra lower level layer, then that sounds fine.
>
> However, I was mainly talking about what we would eventually expose to
> users, i.e. do we want to provide `Atomic<T>` to begin with? If yes,
The truth is I don't know ;-) I don't have much data on which one is
better. Personally, I think AtomicI32 and AtomicI64 make the users have
to think about size, alignment, etc, and I think that's important for
atomic users and people who review their code, because before one uses
atomics, one should ask themselves: why don't I use a lock? Atomics
provide the ablities to do low level stuffs and when doing low level
stuffs, you want to be more explicit than ergonomic.
That said, I keep an open mind on `Atomic<T>`, maybe it will show its
value at last. But right now, I'm not convinced personally.
> then we could make the lower layer private already.
>
> We can defer that extra layer/work if needed even if we go for
> `Atomic<T>`, but it would be nice to understand if we have consensus
> for an eventual user-facing API, or if someone has any other opinion
> or concerns on one vs. the other.
>
Yes, that'll be great. I'd love to see others' inputs!
Regards,
Boqun
> Cheers,
> Miguel
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-06-14 14:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-06-12 22:30 [RFC 0/2] Initial LKMM atomics support in Rust Boqun Feng
2024-06-12 22:30 ` [RFC 1/2] rust: Introduce atomic API helpers Boqun Feng
2024-06-13 5:38 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-06-13 9:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-06-13 10:03 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-06-13 10:36 ` Mark Rutland
2024-06-14 10:31 ` Mark Rutland
2024-06-14 20:13 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-12 22:30 ` [RFC 2/2] rust: sync: Add atomic support Boqun Feng
2024-06-13 5:40 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-06-13 13:44 ` Gary Guo
2024-06-13 16:30 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-13 17:19 ` Gary Guo
2024-06-13 17:22 ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-06-13 19:05 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-14 9:59 ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-06-14 14:33 ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2024-06-14 21:22 ` Benno Lossin
2024-06-15 1:33 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-15 7:09 ` Benno Lossin
2024-06-15 22:12 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-16 9:46 ` Benno Lossin
2024-06-16 14:08 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-16 15:06 ` Benno Lossin
2024-06-16 15:34 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-16 15:55 ` Benno Lossin
2024-06-16 16:30 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-19 9:09 ` Benno Lossin
2024-06-19 15:00 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-16 17:05 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-16 9:51 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-06-16 14:16 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-16 14:35 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-16 15:14 ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-06-16 15:32 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-06-16 15:54 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-16 17:30 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-16 17:59 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-06-16 15:50 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-16 15:23 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-06-15 1:03 ` John Hubbard
2024-06-15 1:24 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-15 1:28 ` John Hubbard
2024-06-15 2:39 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-15 2:51 ` John Hubbard
2024-06-16 14:51 ` Gary Guo
2024-06-16 15:06 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-17 5:36 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-17 5:42 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-19 9:30 ` Benno Lossin
2024-06-16 0:51 ` Andrew Lunn
2024-06-14 9:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-06-14 14:18 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-13 20:25 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-14 10:40 ` Mark Rutland
2024-06-14 20:20 ` Boqun Feng
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