From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Dave Chinner <dchinner@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] bcachefs: Switch to memalloc_flags_do() for vmalloc allocations
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2024 14:34:08 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZtBqwOiBThqxzckc@tiehlicka> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <wjfubyrzk4ovtuae5uht7uhhigkrym2anmo5w5vp7xgq3zss76@s2uy3qindie4>
On Thu 29-08-24 07:55:08, Kent Overstreet wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2024 at 01:08:53PM GMT, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > On Wed 28-08-24 18:58:43, Kent Overstreet wrote:
> > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 09:26:44PM GMT, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > > On Wed 28-08-24 15:11:19, Kent Overstreet wrote:
> > [...]
> > > > > It was decided _years_ ago that PF_MEMALLOC flags were how this was
> > > > > going to be addressed.
> > > >
> > > > Nope! It has been decided that _some_ gfp flags are acceptable to be used
> > > > by scoped APIs. Most notably NOFS and NOIO are compatible with reclaim
> > > > modifiers and other flags so these are indeed safe to be used that way.
> > >
> > > Decided by who?
> >
> > Decides semantic of respective GFP flags and their compatibility with
> > others that could be nested in the scope.
>
> Well, that's a bit of commentary, at least.
>
> The question is which of those could properly apply to a section, not a
> callsite, and a PF_MEMALLOC_NOWAIT (similar to but not exactly the same
> as PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM) would be at the top of that list since we
> already have a clear concept of sections where we're not allowed to
> sleep.
Unfortunately a lack of __GFP_DIRECT_RECLAIM means both no reclaim and
no sleeping allowed for historical reasons. GFP_NOWAIT is both used from
atomic contexts and as an optimistic allocation attempt with a heavier
fallback allocation strategy. If you want NORECLAIM semantic then this
would need to be represented by different means than __GFP_DIRECT_RECLAIM
alone.
> And that tells us how to resolve GFP_NOFAIL with other conflicting
> PF_MEMALLOC flags: GFP_NOFAIL loses.
>
> It is a _bug_ if GFP_NOFAIL is accidentally used in a non sleepable
> context, and properly labelling those sections to the allocator would
> allow us to turn undefined behaviour into an error - _that_ would be
> turning kmalloc() into a safe interface.
If your definition of safe includes an oops or worse silent failure
then yes. Not really safe interface in my book though. E.g. (just
randomly looking at GFP_NOFAIL users) btree_paths_realloc doesn't check
the return value and if it happened to be called from such a scope it
would have blown up. That code is safe without the scope though. There
are many other callsites which do not have failure paths.
--
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-08-29 12:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-08-28 14:06 [PATCH] bcachefs: Switch to memalloc_flags_do() for vmalloc allocations Kent Overstreet
2024-08-28 18:48 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-08-28 19:11 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-28 19:26 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-28 22:58 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-29 7:19 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-29 11:41 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-29 11:08 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-29 11:55 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-29 12:34 ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2024-08-29 12:42 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-29 14:27 ` Dave Chinner
2024-08-30 3:39 ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-08-31 15:46 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-30 9:14 ` Yafang Shao
2024-08-30 15:25 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-09-02 3:00 ` Yafang Shao
2024-09-01 3:35 ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-02 3:02 ` Yafang Shao
2024-09-02 8:11 ` Michal Hocko
2024-09-02 9:01 ` Yafang Shao
2024-09-02 9:09 ` Michal Hocko
2024-09-03 6:34 ` Yafang Shao
2024-09-03 7:18 ` Michal Hocko
2024-09-03 12:44 ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-09-03 13:15 ` Yafang Shao
2024-09-03 14:03 ` Michal Hocko
2024-09-03 13:30 ` Michal Hocko
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