From: Ronald Moesbergen <intercommit@gmail.com>
To: Vladislav Bolkhovitin <vst@vlnb.net>
Cc: fengguang.wu@intel.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com,
Alan.Brunelle@hp.com, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
jens.axboe@oracle.com, randy.dunlap@oracle.com,
Bart Van Assche <bart.vanassche@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RESEND] [PATCH] readahead:add blk_run_backing_dev
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:54:44 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <a0272b440907160754j3545f4dby13882ea1ab964222@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A5F0293.3010206@vlnb.net>
2009/7/16 Vladislav Bolkhovitin <vst@vlnb.net>:
>
> Ronald Moesbergen, on 07/16/2009 11:32 AM wrote:
>>
>> 2009/7/15 Vladislav Bolkhovitin <vst@vlnb.net>:
>>>>
>>>> The drop with 64 max_sectors_kb on the client is a consequence of how
>>>> CFQ
>>>> is working. I can't find the exact code responsible for this, but from
>>>> all
>>>> signs, CFQ stops delaying requests if amount of outstanding requests
>>>> exceeds
>>>> some threshold, which is 2 or 3. With 64 max_sectors_kb and 5 SCST I/O
>>>> threads this threshold is exceeded, so CFQ doesn't recover order of
>>>> requests, hence the performance drop. With default 512 max_sectors_kb
>>>> and
>>>> 128K RA the server sees at max 2 requests at time.
>>>>
>>>> Ronald, can you perform the same tests with 1 and 2 SCST I/O threads,
>>>> please?
>>
>> Ok. Should I still use the file-on-xfs testcase for this, or should I
>> go back to using a regular block device?
>
> Yes, please
As in: Yes, go back to block device, or Yes use file-on-xfs?
>> The file-over-iscsi is quite
>> uncommon I suppose, most people will export a block device over iscsi,
>> not a file.
>
> No, files are common. The main reason why people use direct block devices is
> a not supported by anything believe that comparing with files they "have
> less overhead", so "should be faster". But it isn't true and can be easily
> checked.
Well, there are other advantages of using a block device: they are
generally more manageble, for instance you can use LVM for resizing
instead of strange dd magic to extend a file. When using a file you
have to extend the volume that holds the file first, and then the file
itself. And you don't lose disk space to filesystem metadata twice.
Also, I still don't get why reads/writes from a blockdevice are
different in speed than reads/writes from a file on a filesystem. I
for one will not be using files exported over iscsi, but blockdevices
(LVM volumes).
Ronald.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-07-16 14:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-05-29 5:35 [RESEND] [PATCH] readahead:add blk_run_backing_dev Hisashi Hifumi
2009-06-01 0:36 ` Andrew Morton
2009-06-01 1:04 ` Hisashi Hifumi
2009-06-05 15:15 ` Alan D. Brunelle
2009-06-06 14:36 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-06-06 22:45 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-18 19:04 ` Andrew Morton
2009-06-20 3:55 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-20 12:29 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-06-29 9:34 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-29 10:26 ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-06-29 10:55 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-06-29 12:54 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-29 12:58 ` Bart Van Assche
2009-06-29 13:01 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-29 13:04 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-06-29 13:13 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-29 13:28 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-29 14:43 ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-06-29 14:51 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-29 14:56 ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-06-29 15:37 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-06-29 14:00 ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-06-29 14:21 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-29 15:01 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-29 15:37 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
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[not found] ` <a0272b440907030214l4016422bxbc98fd003bfe1b3d@mail.gmail.com>
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[not found] ` <a0272b440907040819l5289483cp44b37d967440ef73@mail.gmail.com>
2009-07-06 11:12 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-07-06 14:37 ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-07-06 17:48 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-07-07 6:49 ` Ronald Moesbergen
[not found] ` <4A5395FD.2040507@vlnb.net>
[not found] ` <a0272b440907080149j3eeeb9bat13f942520db059a8@mail.gmail.com>
2009-07-08 12:40 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-07-10 6:32 ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-07-10 8:43 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-07-10 9:27 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-07-13 12:12 ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-07-13 12:36 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-07-13 12:47 ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-07-13 12:52 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-07-14 18:52 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-07-15 7:06 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-07-14 18:52 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-07-15 6:30 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-07-16 7:32 ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-07-16 10:36 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-07-16 14:54 ` Ronald Moesbergen [this message]
2009-07-16 16:03 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-07-17 14:15 ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-07-17 18:23 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-07-20 7:20 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-07-22 8:44 ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-07-27 13:11 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-07-28 9:51 ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-07-28 19:07 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-07-29 12:48 ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-07-31 18:32 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-08-03 9:15 ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-08-03 9:20 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-08-03 11:44 ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-07-15 20:52 ` Kurt Garloff
2009-07-16 10:38 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-06-30 10:22 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-06-29 10:55 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-06-29 13:00 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-22 20:58 ` Andrew Morton
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2009-05-22 0:09 [RESEND][PATCH] " Hisashi Hifumi
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