From: Nikita Kalyazin <kalyazin@amazon.com>
To: Brendan Jackman <jackmanb@google.com>
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Patrick Roy <patrick.roy@campus.lmu.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 00/12] Direct Map Removal Support for guest_memfd
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2025 18:11:01 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <a940044f-3ae4-451f-b9ba-946ec6df5082@amazon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DE2NTMZXQ1MT.2TH9VAKM6WP6I@google.com>
On 07/11/2025 18:04, Brendan Jackman wrote:
> On Fri Nov 7, 2025 at 5:23 PM UTC, Nikita Kalyazin wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 07/11/2025 15:54, Brendan Jackman wrote:
>>> On Wed Sep 24, 2025 at 3:10 PM UTC, Patrick Roy wrote:
>>>> From: Patrick Roy <roypat@amazon.co.uk>
>>>>
>>>> [ based on kvm/next ]
>>>>
>>>> Unmapping virtual machine guest memory from the host kernel's direct map is a
>>>> successful mitigation against Spectre-style transient execution issues: If the
>>>> kernel page tables do not contain entries pointing to guest memory, then any
>>>> attempted speculative read through the direct map will necessarily be blocked
>>>> by the MMU before any observable microarchitectural side-effects happen. This
>>>> means that Spectre-gadgets and similar cannot be used to target virtual machine
>>>> memory. Roughly 60% of speculative execution issues fall into this category [1,
>>>> Table 1].
>>>>
>>>> This patch series extends guest_memfd with the ability to remove its memory
>>>> from the host kernel's direct map, to be able to attain the above protection
>>>> for KVM guests running inside guest_memfd.
>>>>
>>>> Additionally, a Firecracker branch with support for these VMs can be found on
>>>> GitHub [2].
>>>>
>>>> For more details, please refer to the v5 cover letter [v5]. No
>>>> substantial changes in design have taken place since.
>>>>
>>>> === Changes Since v6 ===
>>>>
>>>> - Drop patch for passing struct address_space to ->free_folio(), due to
>>>> possible races with freeing of the address_space. (Hugh)
>>>> - Stop using PG_uptodate / gmem preparedness tracking to keep track of
>>>> direct map state. Instead, use the lowest bit of folio->private. (Mike, David)
>>>> - Do direct map removal when establishing mapping of gmem folio instead
>>>> of at allocation time, due to impossibility of handling direct map
>>>> removal errors in kvm_gmem_populate(). (Patrick)
>>>> - Do TLB flushes after direct map removal, and provide a module
>>>> parameter to opt out from them, and a new patch to export
>>>> flush_tlb_kernel_range() to KVM. (Will)
>>>>
>>>> [1]: https://download.vusec.net/papers/quarantine_raid23.pdf
>>>> [2]: https://github.com/firecracker-microvm/firecracker/tree/feature/secret-hiding
>>>
>>> I just got around to trying this out, I checked out this patchset using
>>> its base-commit and grabbed the Firecracker branch. Things seem OK until
>>> I set the secrets_free flag in the Firecracker config which IIUC makes
>>> it set GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_NO_DIRECT_MAP.
>>>
>>> If I set it, I find the guest doesn't show anything on the console.
>>> Running it in a VM and attaching GDB suggests that it's entering the
>>> guest repeatedly, it doesn't seem like the vCPU thread is stuck or
>>> anything. I'm a bit clueless about how to debug that (so far, whenever
>>> I've broken KVM, things always exploded very dramatically).
>>>
>>> Anyway, if I then kill the firecracker process, the host sometimes
>>> crashes, I think this is the most suggestive splat I've seen:
>>>
>>> [ 99.673420][ T2] BUG: unable to handle page fault for address: ffff888012804000
>>> [ 99.676216][ T2] #PF: supervisor write access in kernel mode
>>> [ 99.678381][ T2] #PF: error_code(0x0002) - not-present page
>>> [ 99.680499][ T2] PGD 2e01067 P4D 2e01067 PUD 2e02067 PMD 12801063 PTE 800fffffed7fb020
>>> [ 99.683374][ T2] Oops: Oops: 0002 [#1] SMP
>>> [ 99.685004][ T2] CPU: 0 UID: 0 PID: 2 Comm: kthreadd Not tainted 6.17.0-rc7-00366-g473c46a3cb2a #106 NONE
>>> [ 99.688514][ T2] Hardware name: QEMU Standard PC (i440FX + PIIX, 1996), BIOS 0.1 11/11/2019
>>> [ 99.691547][ T2] RIP: 0010:clear_page_erms+0x7/0x10
>>> [ 99.693440][ T2] Code: 48 89 47 18 48 89 47 20 48 89 47 28 48 89 47 30 48 89 47 38 48 8d 7f 40 75 d9 90 c3 0f 1f 80 00 00 00 00 b9 00 10 00 00 31 c0 <f3> aa c3 66 0f 1f 44 00 00 48 83 f9 40 73 2a 83 f9 08 73 0f 85 c9
>>> [ 99.700188][ T2] RSP: 0018:ffff88800318fc10 EFLAGS: 00010246
>>> [ 99.702321][ T2] RAX: 0000000000000000 RBX: 0000000000400dc0 RCX: 0000000000001000
>>> [ 99.705100][ T2] RDX: ffffea00004a0100 RSI: ffffea00004a0200 RDI: ffff888012804000
>>> [ 99.707861][ T2] RBP: 0000000000000801 R08: 0000000000000000 R09: 0000000000000000
>>> [ 99.710648][ T2] R10: 0000000000000000 R11: 0000000000000000 R12: 0000000000000002
>>> [ 99.713412][ T2] R13: 0000000000000801 R14: ffffea00004a0100 R15: ffffffff81f4df80
>>> [ 99.716191][ T2] FS: 0000000000000000(0000) GS:ffff8880bbf28000(0000) knlGS:0000000000000000
>>> [ 99.719316][ T2] CS: 0010 DS: 0000 ES: 0000 CR0: 0000000080050033
>>> [ 99.721648][ T2] CR2: ffff888012804000 CR3: 0000000007583001 CR4: 0000000000372eb0
>>> [ 99.724421][ T2] Call Trace:
>>> [ 99.725608][ T2] <TASK>
>>> [ 99.726646][ T2] get_page_from_freelist+0x6fe/0x14b0
>>> [ 99.728583][ T2] ? fs_reclaim_acquire+0x43/0xe0
>>> [ 99.730325][ T2] ? find_held_lock+0x2b/0x80
>>> [ 99.731965][ T2] __alloc_frozen_pages_noprof+0x147/0x2d0
>>> [ 99.734003][ T2] __alloc_pages_noprof+0x5/0x50
>>> [ 99.735766][ T2] copy_process+0x1b1/0x1b30
>>> [ 99.737398][ T2] ? lock_is_held_type+0x89/0x100
>>> [ 99.739157][ T2] ? kthreadd+0x25/0x190
>>> [ 99.740664][ T2] kernel_clone+0x59/0x390
>>> [ 99.742213][ T2] ? kthreadd+0x25/0x190
>>> [ 99.743728][ T2] kernel_thread+0x55/0x70
>>> [ 99.745310][ T2] ? kthread_complete_and_exit+0x20/0x20
>>> [ 99.747265][ T2] kthreadd+0x117/0x190
>>> [ 99.748748][ T2] ? kthread_is_per_cpu+0x30/0x30
>>> [ 99.750509][ T2] ret_from_fork+0x16b/0x1e0
>>> [ 99.752193][ T2] ? kthread_is_per_cpu+0x30/0x30
>>> [ 99.753992][ T2] ret_from_fork_asm+0x11/0x20
>>> [ 99.755717][ T2] </TASK>
>>> [ 99.756861][ T2] CR2: ffff888012804000
>>> [ 99.758353][ T2] ---[ end trace 0000000000000000 ]---
>>> [ 99.760319][ T2] RIP: 0010:clear_page_erms+0x7/0x10
>>> [ 99.762209][ T2] Code: 48 89 47 18 48 89 47 20 48 89 47 28 48 89 47 30 48 89 47 38 48 8d 7f 40 75 d9 90 c3 0f 1f 80 00 00 00 00 b9 00 10 00 00 31 c0 <f3> aa c3 66 0f 1f 44 00 00 48 83 f9 40 73 2a 83 f9 08 73 0f 85 c9
>>> [ 99.769129][ T2] RSP: 0018:ffff88800318fc10 EFLAGS: 00010246
>>> [ 99.771297][ T2] RAX: 0000000000000000 RBX: 0000000000400dc0 RCX: 0000000000001000
>>> [ 99.774126][ T2] RDX: ffffea00004a0100 RSI: ffffea00004a0200 RDI: ffff888012804000
>>> [ 99.777013][ T2] RBP: 0000000000000801 R08: 0000000000000000 R09: 0000000000000000
>>> [ 99.779827][ T2] R10: 0000000000000000 R11: 0000000000000000 R12: 0000000000000002
>>> [ 99.782641][ T2] R13: 0000000000000801 R14: ffffea00004a0100 R15: ffffffff81f4df80
>>> [ 99.785487][ T2] FS: 0000000000000000(0000) GS:ffff8880bbf28000(0000) knlGS:0000000000000000
>>> [ 99.788671][ T2] CS: 0010 DS: 0000 ES: 0000 CR0: 0000000080050033
>>> [ 99.791012][ T2] CR2: ffff888012804000 CR3: 0000000007583001 CR4: 0000000000372eb0
>>> [ 99.793863][ T2] Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception
>>> [ 99.796760][ T2] Kernel Offset: disabled
>>> [ 99.798296][ T2] ---[ end Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception ]---
>>>
>>> This makes me suspect the kvm_gmem_folio_restore_direct_map() path isn't
>>> working or isn't getting called.
>>>
>>> If anyone wants help trying to reproduce this let me know.
>>
>> Hi Brendan,
>>
>> Thanks for trying to run it!
>>
>> Just as a sanity check, the way it is known for us to work is we apply
>> all patches from [1]. For booted VMs (as opposed to restored from
>> snapshot), apart from the v6 of the direct map removal series, the only
>> additional patch is a fix for kvmclock on x86 [2]. Please let me know
>> if you see the same issue with that patch applied too.
>>
>> Nikita
>>
>> [1]
>> https://github.com/firecracker-microvm/firecracker/tree/feature/secret-hiding/resources/hiding_ci/linux_patches
>> [2]
>> https://github.com/firecracker-microvm/firecracker/tree/feature/secret-hiding/resources/hiding_ci/linux_patches/11-kvm-clock
>
> Ah, thanks! Seems I should have checked my inbox before sending my other
> mail. With the kvmclock fix applied to my host kernel, I start setting
> the other crash immediately when the VM boots. If I comment out the
> actual unmapping of memory, it boots (before, it wouldn't boot even with
> that commented out).
>
> For the other linux_patches, I couldn't apply them on top of this
> series, do you have a branch I can use as a reference?
Instead of having an explicit branch, we apply all the patches on top of
[1]. There is a script that performs fetch/build/install end-to-end: [2].
[1]
https://github.com/firecracker-microvm/firecracker/blob/feature/secret-hiding/resources/hiding_ci/kernel_commit_hash
[2]
https://github.com/firecracker-microvm/firecracker/blob/feature/secret-hiding/resources/hiding_ci/build_and_install_kernel.sh
>
> Anyway, the solution I'm hoping to present for your problem gets rid of
> that explicit unmapping code (the allocator will do it for you), so in
> the meantime I have something I can work with.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-11-07 18:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-09-24 15:10 [PATCH v7 00/12] Direct Map Removal Support for guest_memfd Patrick Roy
2025-09-24 15:10 ` [PATCH v7 01/12] arch: export set_direct_map_valid_noflush to KVM module Patrick Roy
2025-09-24 15:10 ` [PATCH v7 02/12] x86/tlb: export flush_tlb_kernel_range " Patrick Roy
2025-09-24 15:10 ` [PATCH v7 03/12] mm: introduce AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP Patrick Roy
2025-09-24 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 04/12] KVM: guest_memfd: Add stub for kvm_arch_gmem_invalidate Roy, Patrick
2025-09-24 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 05/12] KVM: guest_memfd: Add flag to remove from direct map Roy, Patrick
2025-09-25 11:00 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-25 15:52 ` Roy, Patrick
2025-09-25 19:28 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-26 14:49 ` Patrick Roy
2025-10-31 17:30 ` Brendan Jackman
2025-11-01 9:39 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-03 10:35 ` Brendan Jackman
2025-11-03 10:50 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-04 11:08 ` Brendan Jackman
2025-11-03 7:57 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-09-24 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 06/12] KVM: guest_memfd: add module param for disabling TLB flushing Roy, Patrick
2025-09-25 11:02 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-25 15:50 ` Roy, Patrick
2025-09-25 19:32 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-25 18:27 ` Dave Hansen
2025-09-25 19:20 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-25 19:59 ` Dave Hansen
2025-09-25 20:13 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-26 9:46 ` Patrick Roy
2025-09-26 10:53 ` Will Deacon
2025-09-26 20:09 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-27 7:38 ` Patrick Roy
2025-09-29 10:20 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-11 14:32 ` Patrick Roy
2025-11-07 15:29 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-11-07 17:22 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2025-11-07 17:21 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2025-10-30 16:05 ` Brendan Jackman
2025-10-31 18:31 ` Brendan Jackman
2025-09-24 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 07/12] KVM: selftests: load elf via bounce buffer Roy, Patrick
2025-09-24 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 08/12] KVM: selftests: set KVM_MEM_GUEST_MEMFD in vm_mem_add() if guest_memfd != -1 Roy, Patrick
2025-09-24 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 09/12] KVM: selftests: Add guest_memfd based vm_mem_backing_src_types Roy, Patrick
2025-09-24 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 10/12] KVM: selftests: cover GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_NO_DIRECT_MAP in existing selftests Roy, Patrick
2025-09-24 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 11/12] KVM: selftests: stuff vm_mem_backing_src_type into vm_shape Roy, Patrick
2025-09-24 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 12/12] KVM: selftests: Test guest execution from direct map removed gmem Roy, Patrick
2025-10-30 17:18 ` Brendan Jackman
2025-09-25 10:26 ` [PATCH v7 04/12] KVM: guest_memfd: Add stub for kvm_arch_gmem_invalidate David Hildenbrand
2025-09-25 10:25 ` [PATCH v7 03/12] mm: introduce AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP David Hildenbrand
2025-09-24 15:29 ` [PATCH v7 00/12] Direct Map Removal Support for guest_memfd Roy, Patrick
2025-09-24 15:38 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-11-07 15:54 ` Brendan Jackman
2025-11-07 17:23 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2025-11-07 18:04 ` Brendan Jackman
2025-11-07 18:11 ` Nikita Kalyazin [this message]
2025-11-07 17:37 ` Brendan Jackman
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