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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Joanne Koong <joannelkoong@gmail.com>,
	miklos@szeredi.hu, djwong@kernel.org, brauner@kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
	bernd.schubert@fastmail.fm, kernel-team@meta.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 0/8] fuse: use iomap for buffered writes + writeback
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2025 21:06:35 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aEevS9OHxZ0YAR74@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aEeAqxUfFxepmQle@dread.disaster.area>

On Tue, Jun 10, 2025 at 10:47:39AM +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
> AFAICT, this is just adding a synchronous "read folio" and "write
> folio" hooks into iomapi that bypass the existing "map and pack"
> bio-based infrastructure. i.e. there is no actual "iomapping" being
> done, it's adding special case IO hooks into the IO back end
> iomap bio interfaces.
> 
> Is that a fair summary of what this is doing?
> 
> If so, given that FUSE is actually a request/response protocol,
> why wasn't netfs chosen as the back end infrastructure to support
> large folios in the FUSE pagecache?
> 
> It's specifically designed for request/response IO interfaces that
> are not block IO based, and it has infrastructure such as local file
> caching built into it for optimising performance on high latency/low
> bandwidth network based filesystems.

Has it?  Or was that part of netfs simply written because Dave
didn't listen when I explained him that the iterate over file range
part of iomap is perfectly fine for network file systems?  I'd still
like to see that part of networking file systems moved over to iomap,
and I think it will have to happen if netfs wants to add nfs support.
Because with nfs we can suddently end up in the block I/O path for
a nominal network file system in the block layout, and that could
reuse all the existing iomap code..


  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-10  4:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-06 23:37 [PATCH v1 0/8] fuse: use iomap for buffered writes + writeback Joanne Koong
2025-06-06 23:37 ` [PATCH v1 1/8] iomap: move buffered io bio logic into separate file Joanne Koong
2025-06-08 19:17   ` Anuj gupta
2025-06-09  4:44   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-09 20:01     ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-06 23:37 ` [PATCH v1 2/8] iomap: add IOMAP_IN_MEM iomap type Joanne Koong
2025-06-09  4:45   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-09 21:45     ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-10  3:39       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-10 13:27         ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-10 20:13           ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-11  4:04             ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-11  6:00               ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-11  6:08                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-11 18:33                 ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-11 18:50                   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-06-11 23:08                     ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-12  4:42                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-09 16:24   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-06-09 21:28     ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-12  3:53       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-06-06 23:37 ` [PATCH v1 3/8] iomap: add buffered write support for IOMAP_IN_MEM iomaps Joanne Koong
2025-06-09  4:56   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-09 22:45     ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-10  3:44       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-09 16:38   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-06-09 22:03     ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-12  3:54       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-06-06 23:37 ` [PATCH v1 4/8] iomap: add writepages " Joanne Koong
2025-06-09  5:32   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-09 16:57     ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-06-10  3:49       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-12  3:56         ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-06-09 23:15     ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-10  3:58       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-10 18:23         ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-10 18:58           ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-11  4:01           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-06 23:38 ` [PATCH v1 5/8] iomap: add iomap_writeback_dirty_folio() Joanne Koong
2025-06-09  4:51   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-09 17:14     ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-06-09 23:54       ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-10  3:59       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-11  4:34         ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-06-18  4:47           ` does fuse need ->launder_folios, was: " Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-18 12:17           ` Jeff Layton
2025-06-20 18:15             ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-06-25  5:26               ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-25  6:26                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-25 16:44                   ` Joanne Koong
2025-07-01  5:41                     ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-02 21:36                       ` Joanne Koong
2025-07-02 21:47                         ` Joanne Koong
2025-07-01  6:23                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-06-09 23:30     ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-10  4:03       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-06 23:38 ` [PATCH v1 6/8] fuse: use iomap for buffered writes Joanne Koong
2025-06-06 23:38 ` [PATCH v1 7/8] fuse: use iomap for writeback Joanne Koong
2025-06-08 19:20   ` Anuj gupta
2025-06-06 23:38 ` [PATCH v1 8/8] fuse: use iomap for folio laundering Joanne Koong
2025-06-08 19:12 ` [PATCH v1 0/8] fuse: use iomap for buffered writes + writeback Anuj gupta
2025-06-09 19:59   ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-14 14:22     ` Anuj gupta
2025-06-09  4:40 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-09 12:38   ` Anuj gupta
2025-06-09 19:47     ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-10  4:04     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-10  0:47 ` Dave Chinner
2025-06-10  4:06   ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2025-06-10 20:33   ` Joanne Koong

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