From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
Joanne Koong <joannelkoong@gmail.com>,
miklos@szeredi.hu, brauner@kernel.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
bernd.schubert@fastmail.fm, kernel-team@meta.com,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 5/8] iomap: add iomap_writeback_dirty_folio()
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2025 05:34:50 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aEkHarE9_LlxFTAi@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aEetuahlyfHGTG7x@infradead.org>
On Mon, Jun 09, 2025 at 08:59:53PM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 09, 2025 at 10:14:44AM -0700, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> > > Where "folio laundering" means calling ->launder_folio, right?
> >
> > What does fuse use folio laundering for, anyway? It looks to me like
> > the primary users are invalidate_inode_pages*. Either the caller cares
> > about flushing dirty data and has called filemap_write_and_wait_range;
> > or it doesn't and wants to tear down the pagecache ahead of some other
> > operation that's going to change the file contents and doesn't care.
> >
> > I suppose it could be useful as a last-chance operation on a dirty folio
> > that was dirtied after a filemap_write_and_wait_range but before
> > invalidate_inode_pages*? Though for xfs we just return EBUSY and let
> > the caller try again (or not). Is there a subtlety to fuse here that I
> > don't know about?
>
> My memory might be betraying me, but I think willy once launched an
> attempt to see if we can kill launder_folio. Adding him, and the
> mm and nfs lists to check if I have a point :)
I ... got distracted with everything else.
Looking at the original addition of ->launder_page (e3db7691e9f3), I
don't understand why we need it. invalidate_inode_pages2() isn't
supposed to invalidate dirty pages, so I don't understand why nfs
found it necessary to do writeback from ->releasepage() instead
of just returning false like iomap does.
There's now a new question of what the hell btrfs is up to with
->launder_folio, which they just added recently.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-06-11 4:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-06-06 23:37 [PATCH v1 0/8] fuse: use iomap for buffered writes + writeback Joanne Koong
2025-06-06 23:37 ` [PATCH v1 1/8] iomap: move buffered io bio logic into separate file Joanne Koong
2025-06-08 19:17 ` Anuj gupta
2025-06-09 4:44 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-09 20:01 ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-06 23:37 ` [PATCH v1 2/8] iomap: add IOMAP_IN_MEM iomap type Joanne Koong
2025-06-09 4:45 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-09 21:45 ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-10 3:39 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-10 13:27 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-10 20:13 ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-11 4:04 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-11 6:00 ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-11 6:08 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-11 18:33 ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-11 18:50 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-06-11 23:08 ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-12 4:42 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-09 16:24 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-06-09 21:28 ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-12 3:53 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-06-06 23:37 ` [PATCH v1 3/8] iomap: add buffered write support for IOMAP_IN_MEM iomaps Joanne Koong
2025-06-09 4:56 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-09 22:45 ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-10 3:44 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-09 16:38 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-06-09 22:03 ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-12 3:54 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-06-06 23:37 ` [PATCH v1 4/8] iomap: add writepages " Joanne Koong
2025-06-09 5:32 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-09 16:57 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-06-10 3:49 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-12 3:56 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-06-09 23:15 ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-10 3:58 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-10 18:23 ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-10 18:58 ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-11 4:01 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-06 23:38 ` [PATCH v1 5/8] iomap: add iomap_writeback_dirty_folio() Joanne Koong
2025-06-09 4:51 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-09 17:14 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-06-09 23:54 ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-10 3:59 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-11 4:34 ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2025-06-18 4:47 ` does fuse need ->launder_folios, was: " Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-18 12:17 ` Jeff Layton
2025-06-20 18:15 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-06-25 5:26 ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-25 6:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-25 16:44 ` Joanne Koong
2025-07-01 5:41 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-02 21:36 ` Joanne Koong
2025-07-02 21:47 ` Joanne Koong
2025-07-01 6:23 ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-06-09 23:30 ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-10 4:03 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-06 23:38 ` [PATCH v1 6/8] fuse: use iomap for buffered writes Joanne Koong
2025-06-06 23:38 ` [PATCH v1 7/8] fuse: use iomap for writeback Joanne Koong
2025-06-08 19:20 ` Anuj gupta
2025-06-06 23:38 ` [PATCH v1 8/8] fuse: use iomap for folio laundering Joanne Koong
2025-06-08 19:12 ` [PATCH v1 0/8] fuse: use iomap for buffered writes + writeback Anuj gupta
2025-06-09 19:59 ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-14 14:22 ` Anuj gupta
2025-06-09 4:40 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-09 12:38 ` Anuj gupta
2025-06-09 19:47 ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-10 4:04 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-10 0:47 ` Dave Chinner
2025-06-10 4:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-10 20:33 ` Joanne Koong
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