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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>, Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	Mina Almasry <almasrymina@google.com>,
	willy@infradead.org, Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>,
	Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: How to handle P2P DMA with only {physaddr,len} in bio_vec?
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2025 05:39:00 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aFqcZMXUYx6qqDx_@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1143687.1750755725@warthog.procyon.org.uk>

On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 10:02:05AM +0100, David Howells wrote:
> > There isn't a very easy way.  Also because if you actually need to do
> > peer to peer transfers, you right now absolutely need the page to find
> > the pgmap that has the information on how to perform the peer to peer
> > transfer.
> 
> Are you expecting P2P to become particularly common?

What do you mean with 'particularly common'?  In general it's a very
niche thing.  But in certain niches it gets used more and more.

> Because page struct
> lookups will become more expensive because we'll have to do type checking and
> Willy may eventually move them from a fixed array into a maple tree - so if we
> can record the P2P flag in the bio_vec, it would help speed up the "not P2P"
> case.

As said before, the best place for that is a higher level structure than
the bio_vec.

> Do we actually need 32 bits for bv_len, especially given that MAX_RW_COUNT is
> capped at a bit less than 2GiB?  Could we, say, do:
> 
>  	struct bio_vec {
>  		phys_addr_t	bv_phys;
>  		u32		bv_len:31;
> 		u32		bv_use_p2p:1;
>  	} __packed;

I've already heard people complain 32-bit might not be enough :) 

> And rather than storing the how-to-do-P2P info in the page struct, does it
> make sense to hold it separately, keyed on bv_phys?

Maybe.  But then you need to invent your own new refcounting for the
section representing the hot pluggable p2p memory.

> Also, is it possible for the networking stack, say, to trivially map the P2P
> memory in order to checksum it?  I presume bv_phys in that case would point to
> a mapping of device memory?

P2P is always to MMIO regions.  So you can access it using the usual
MMIO helpers.


      parent reply	other threads:[~2025-06-24 12:39 UTC|newest]

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2025-05-12 14:51         ` AF_UNIX/zerocopy/pipe/vmsplice/splice vs FOLL_PIN David Howells
2025-05-12 21:59           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-23 11:50           ` Christian Brauner
2025-06-23 13:53           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-23 14:16           ` David Howells
2025-06-23 10:50         ` How to handle P2P DMA with only {physaddr,len} in bio_vec? David Howells
2025-06-23 13:46           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-23 23:38             ` Alistair Popple
2025-06-24  9:02           ` David Howells
2025-06-24 12:18             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-24 12:39             ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]

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