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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Alex <alex.fcyrx@gmail.com>
Cc: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	brauner@kernel.org, jack@suse.cz, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	paulmck@kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] fs: Remove obsolete logic in i_size_read/write
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2025 14:57:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aHev2X8439xaamsX@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKawSAkQd_V9wJn6fiQQWVguTB0e7vDNnQqjuZRUZ1VwzXuvog@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jul 16, 2025 at 09:44:31PM +0800, Alex wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2025 at 9:41 PM Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 16, 2025 at 09:28:29PM +0800, Alex wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jul 16, 2025 at 9:12 PM Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jul 16, 2025 at 08:53:04PM +0800, Alex wrote:
> > > > > The logic is used to protect load/store tearing on 32 bit platforms,
> > > > > for example, after i_size_read returned, there is no guarantee that
> > > > > inode->size won't be changed. Therefore, READ/WRITE_ONCE suffice, which
> > > > > is already implied by smp_load_acquire/smp_store_release.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, what?  The problem is not a _later_ change, it's getting the
> > > > upper and lower 32bit halves from different values.
> > > >
> > > > Before: position is 0xffffffff
> > > > After: position is 0x100000000
> > > > The value that might be returned by your variant: 0x1ffffffff.
> > >
> > > I mean the sequence lock here is used to only avoid load/store tearing,
> > > smp_load_acquire/smp_store_release already protects that.
> >
> > Why do you think that?  You're wrong, but it'd be useful to understand
> > what misled you into thinking that.
> 
> smp_load_acquire/smp_store_release implies READ_ONCE/WRITE_ONCE,
> and READ_ONCE/WRITE_ONCE avoid load/store tearing.
> 
> What am I missing here?

They only avoid tearing for sizes <= word size.  If you have a 32-bit
CPU, they cannot avoid tearing for 64-bit loads/stores.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-16 13:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-16 12:53 [PATCH] fs: Remove obsolete logic in i_size_read/write Alex
2025-07-16 13:12 ` Al Viro
2025-07-16 13:28   ` Alex
2025-07-16 13:41     ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-07-16 13:44       ` Alex
2025-07-16 13:57         ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2025-07-16 14:38           ` Alex
2025-07-17  5:05 ` kernel test robot

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