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From: Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org>
To: Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>
Cc: Konstantin Shelekhin <k.shelekhin@ftml.net>,
	admin@aquinas.su, linux-bcachefs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	list-bcachefs@carlthompson.net, malte.schroeder@tnxip.de,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] bcachefs changes for 6.17
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2025 14:30:44 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aJukdHj1CSzo6PmX@kbusch-mbp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <htfkbxsxhdmojyr736qqsofghprpewentqzpatrvy4pytwublc@32aqisx4dlwj>

On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 04:03:17PM -0400, Kent Overstreet wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 01:35:56PM -0600, Keith Busch wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 11, 2025 at 10:26:03AM -0400, Kent Overstreet wrote:
> > > On the other hand, for the only incidences I can remotely refer to in
> > > the past year and a half, there has been:
> > ...
> > 
> > > - the block layer developer who went on a four email rant where he,
> > >   charitably, misread the spec or the patchset or both; all this over a
> > >   patch to simply bring a warning in line with the actual NVME and SCSI
> > >   specs.
> > 
> > Are you talking about this thread?
> > 
> >   https://lore.kernel.org/linux-block/20250311201518.3573009-14-kent.overstreet@linux.dev/
> > 
> > I try to closely follow those lists, and that's the only thread I recall
> > that even slightly rings a bell from your description, however it's not
> > an accurate description (you were the one who misread the specs there; I
> > tried to help bridge the gap). I recall the interaction was pretty tame
> > though, so maybe you're talking about something else. Perhaps a link for
> > context if I got it wrong?
> 
> I've since seen a lot of actual test data from SCSI hard drives - fua
> reads are definitely not cached, without exception across manufacturers.
> 
> On NVME the situation is much murkier.

Okay, I take it I got the right thread then. I just wanted to get the
context. For the record, all the specs align with what read fua does
(anyone interested can visit the linked thread, I don't want to hijack
this one for it).

  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-12 20:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-28 15:14 [GIT PULL] bcachefs changes for 6.17 Kent Overstreet
2025-08-05 21:19 ` Malte Schröder
2025-08-05 22:41   ` Carl E. Thompson
2025-08-07 12:42     ` Aquinas Admin
2025-08-09 17:36       ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-09 19:21         ` Josef Bacik
2025-08-09 20:37           ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-09 21:34             ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-10  2:24             ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-08-10  3:17               ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-10  4:05                 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-10  4:13                   ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-10  4:26                     ` Gerald B. Cox
2025-08-10  5:17                       ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-10  5:59                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-08-10  6:51                         ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-10 10:22                         ` Martin Steigerwald
2025-08-11 15:48                         ` Peanut gallery 2c James Lawrence
2025-08-11 16:08                           ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-11 17:00                             ` James Lawrence
     [not found]                             ` <aJsIOj6jbPKayO0s@mayhem.fritz.box>
2025-08-12 16:26                               ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-11 16:48                   ` [GIT PULL] bcachefs changes for 6.17 Aquinas Admin
2025-08-10  8:02                 ` Martin Steigerwald
2025-08-10  6:05               ` Carl E. Thompson
2025-08-11 16:02           ` Aquinas Admin
2025-08-11 16:09             ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-09 23:01         ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-08-09 23:13           ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-12  7:49             ` Jani Partanen
2025-08-12 10:09               ` Martin Steigerwald
2025-08-11  9:51         ` Konstantin Shelekhin
2025-08-11 14:26           ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-11 18:13             ` Carl E. Thompson
2025-08-11 18:40               ` Malte Schröder
2025-08-12  0:44                 ` Carl E. Thompson
2025-08-11 18:48               ` Aquinas Admin
2025-08-11 19:42               ` Martin Steigerwald
2025-08-11 21:04             ` Konstantin Shelekhin
2025-08-12  1:08               ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-12  6:52             ` asdx
2025-08-12  7:04               ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-12  7:17                 ` asdx
2025-08-12 19:35             ` Keith Busch
2025-08-12 20:03               ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-12 20:30                 ` Keith Busch [this message]
2025-08-12 20:31                   ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-12 20:38                     ` Keith Busch
2025-08-12 20:45                       ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-12 20:54                         ` Keith Busch
2025-08-12 20:57                           ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-11 16:45           ` Aquinas Admin
2025-08-10  4:29       ` Gerhard Wiesinger
2025-08-07 14:27   ` Martin Steigerwald
2025-08-07 17:29   ` Peter Schneider
2025-08-10  6:20 ` Gerhard Wiesinger
2025-08-10 10:32   ` Martin Steigerwald

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