From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from casper.infradead.org (casper.infradead.org [90.155.50.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5364F2FF14B; Fri, 22 Aug 2025 13:16:00 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=90.155.50.34 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1755868564; cv=none; b=sDI+/i/yXGpcKM+GN1DJ7opD97eD4uJ/SpKQfZIItTbH6cuWomk5UJJBLIMRnhN3av6cGHnJ3cl7GBCwdJYhE4QqYXqkzgzuKi/98ogIkd7QxcquRY7DfrAnx124OR6pZVXuIYNPT6nkx5RLftysOAXsmIMB7YXfFBSLqUuNbgM= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1755868564; c=relaxed/simple; bh=E9SWjDq2Dx9bluiQ3MsBtIywG3gBOC6POLtg9cN7FTg=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=Hf5CZfEJ2hPskLop2w0F25gviaIS9WxE2RGCSO854guzws9R9lYUcEtVPOJwkCDsakzE5amdc9C+AxFeu2RJba7N49YhpQHyCiYxA576w/8/tVrNgRXOzJb2Py3bcbAd4iz8NsPvD1ISJUQVIZuRDGzHCnSfn7U9bZ0hR4aHTBo= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=infradead.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=infradead.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=infradead.org header.i=@infradead.org header.b=ZUaE1OKu; arc=none smtp.client-ip=90.155.50.34 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=infradead.org Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=infradead.org Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=infradead.org header.i=@infradead.org header.b="ZUaE1OKu" DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infradead.org; s=casper.20170209; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version: References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description; bh=ET3se4OxnTeOD3IJ4EAKqjqV4x9bGpczObSPg39C6OQ=; b=ZUaE1OKuJMb58CtRgyJ+/M4i8P 1Q34L849Z93rBZAAOpb+42MopP0GXeebRu+gcWMleTqhqU7Mp9kZgK/tSQErZ19CxGi9mjT2EkX5c c/WR07GEGU2djqbdlWa9M4Pah26/8OT6i86slmX4NCGuUGZgh8pj7spBhSdkAxHqJwZGDQkLifwVA I9Lj7nYk1fNHad80nT0tGxOL7DJxyvKn3TERYQ/yzozjwu+fc5pe1jl7BiQ6SfpAubsgPLHiBu41j Q+k90cesgjiKCAVYHiN+mBJtNH96rNeBWN5/BAwcYsaPE8vc2tNHrtWOBEnqTnRDhrLqG2+dK2zCn JfJjl4rA==; Received: from willy by casper.infradead.org with local (Exim 4.98.2 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1upRcW-00000008GU1-0iiF; Fri, 22 Aug 2025 13:15:52 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2025 14:15:51 +0100 From: Matthew Wilcox To: Mauro Carvalho Chehab Cc: Steven Rostedt , James Bottomley , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] Adding more formality around feature inclusion and ejection Message-ID: References: <20250821122750.66a2b101@gandalf.local.home> <20250822133935.4e68d2d2@foz.lan> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20250822133935.4e68d2d2@foz.lan> On Fri, Aug 22, 2025 at 01:39:35PM +0200, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > On a side note: I never used myself bcachefs, and I'm not aware of its > current status and how much it depends on the current maintainer. > > Yet, IMO, I don't like the idea that, if a maintainer leaves the > project for whatever reason (including misbehavior), features would > be excluded - even if they're experimental. > > So, I'd say that, except if we would be willing to face legal issues, > or the feature is really bad, the best would be to give at least one > or two kernel cycles to see if someone else steps up - and if the > feature is experimental(*), perhaps move it to staging while nobody > steps up. Kent is bcachefs. There's no team who might be able to step up, and while the code is certainly clear enough, anyone who takes it over will have to deal with Kent, an army of internet trolls and having to learn an incredibly complex codebase. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.