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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Christophe Leroy" <christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu>,
	"kernel test robot" <lkp@intel.com>,
	"Russell King" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	"Nathan Chancellor" <nathan@kernel.org>,
	"Darren Hart" <dvhart@infradead.org>,
	"Davidlohr Bueso" <dave@stgolabs.net>,
	"André Almeida" <andrealmeid@igalia.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, "Alexander Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"Christian Brauner" <brauner@kernel.org>,
	"Jan Kara" <jack@suse.cz>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch V2 3/6] uaccess: Provide scoped masked user access regions
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2025 09:20:30 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aMwHHkaSECBDjuir@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250916163252.164475057@linutronix.de>

On 16-Sep-2025 06:33:13 PM, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> User space access regions are tedious and require similar code patterns all
> over the place:
> 
>      	if (!user_read_access_begin(from, sizeof(*from)))
> 		return -EFAULT;
> 	unsafe_get_user(val, from, Efault);
> 	user_read_access_end();
> 	return 0;
> Efault:
> 	user_read_access_end();
> 	return -EFAULT;
> 
> This got worse with the recend addition of masked user access, which
> optimizes the speculation prevention:
> 
> 	if (can_do_masked_user_access())
> 		from = masked_user_read_access_begin((from));
> 	else if (!user_read_access_begin(from, sizeof(*from)))
> 		return -EFAULT;
> 	unsafe_get_user(val, from, Efault);
> 	user_read_access_end();
> 	return 0;
> Efault:
> 	user_read_access_end();
> 	return -EFAULT;
> 
> There have been issues with using the wrong user_*_access_end() variant in
> the error path and other typical Copy&Pasta problems, e.g. using the wrong
> fault label in the user accessor which ends up using the wrong accesss end
> variant. 
> 
> These patterns beg for scopes with automatic cleanup. The resulting outcome
> is:
>     	scoped_masked_user_read_access(from, return -EFAULT,
> 		scoped_get_user(val, from); );
> 	return 0;

I find a few aspects of the proposed API odd:

- Explicitly implementing the error label within a macro parameter,
- Having the scoped code within another macro parameter.

I would rather expect something like this to mimick our expectations
in C:

int func(void __user *ptr, size_t len, char *val1, char *val2)
{
        int ret;

        scoped_masked_user_read_access(ptr, len, ret) {
                scoped_get_user(val1, ptr[0]);
                scoped_get_user(val2, ptr[0]);
        }
        return ret;
}

Where:

- ptr is the pointer at the beginning of the range where the userspace
  access will be done.
- len is the length of the range.
- ret is a variable used as output (set to -EFAULT on error, 0 on
  success). If the user needs to do something cleverer than
  get a -EFAULT on error, they can open-code it rather than use
  the scoped helper.
- The scope is presented similarly to a "for ()" loop scope.

Now I have no clue whether preprocessor limitations prevent achieving
this somehow, or if it would end up generating poor assembler.

Thoughts ?

Thanks,

Mathieu

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com

  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-18 13:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-16 16:33 [patch V2 0/6] uaccess: Provide and use scopes for user masked access Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-16 16:33 ` [patch V2 1/6] ARM: uaccess: Implement missing __get_user_asm_dword() Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-16 21:26   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2025-09-17  5:48     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-17  9:41       ` Russell King (Oracle)
2025-09-17 12:35         ` Christophe Leroy
2025-09-17 13:55         ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-17 15:17           ` Russell King (Oracle)
2025-09-17 17:14             ` Nathan Chancellor
2025-09-17 17:34               ` Russell King (Oracle)
2025-09-17 19:25                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-17 18:44             ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-19 18:27   ` [patch V2a " Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-16 16:33 ` [patch V2 2/6] kbuild: Disable asm goto on clang < 17 Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-16 18:44   ` Nathan Chancellor
2025-09-16 20:43     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-16 20:56       ` [patch V2a 2/6] kbuild: Disable CC_HAS_ASM_GOTO_OUTPUT on clang < version 17 Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-16 21:50         ` Nathan Chancellor
2025-09-29  9:38         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-09-29 10:08           ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-29 10:58             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-09-29 11:04               ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-29 11:10                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-09-29 15:53                   ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-02 18:47                     ` David Laight
2025-09-29 22:05                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-16 16:33 ` [patch V2 3/6] uaccess: Provide scoped masked user access regions Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-18 13:20   ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2025-09-19  9:10     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-16 16:33 ` [patch V2 4/6] futex: Convert to scoped masked user access Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-16 16:33 ` [patch V2 5/6] x86/futex: " Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-16 16:33 ` [patch V2 6/6] select: " Thomas Gleixner

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