From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
"Christophe Leroy" <christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu>,
"kernel test robot" <lkp@intel.com>,
"Russell King" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
"Nathan Chancellor" <nathan@kernel.org>,
"Darren Hart" <dvhart@infradead.org>,
"Davidlohr Bueso" <dave@stgolabs.net>,
"André Almeida" <andrealmeid@igalia.com>,
x86@kernel.org, "Alexander Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
"Christian Brauner" <brauner@kernel.org>,
"Jan Kara" <jack@suse.cz>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch V2 3/6] uaccess: Provide scoped masked user access regions
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2025 09:20:30 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aMwHHkaSECBDjuir@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250916163252.164475057@linutronix.de>
On 16-Sep-2025 06:33:13 PM, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> User space access regions are tedious and require similar code patterns all
> over the place:
>
> if (!user_read_access_begin(from, sizeof(*from)))
> return -EFAULT;
> unsafe_get_user(val, from, Efault);
> user_read_access_end();
> return 0;
> Efault:
> user_read_access_end();
> return -EFAULT;
>
> This got worse with the recend addition of masked user access, which
> optimizes the speculation prevention:
>
> if (can_do_masked_user_access())
> from = masked_user_read_access_begin((from));
> else if (!user_read_access_begin(from, sizeof(*from)))
> return -EFAULT;
> unsafe_get_user(val, from, Efault);
> user_read_access_end();
> return 0;
> Efault:
> user_read_access_end();
> return -EFAULT;
>
> There have been issues with using the wrong user_*_access_end() variant in
> the error path and other typical Copy&Pasta problems, e.g. using the wrong
> fault label in the user accessor which ends up using the wrong accesss end
> variant.
>
> These patterns beg for scopes with automatic cleanup. The resulting outcome
> is:
> scoped_masked_user_read_access(from, return -EFAULT,
> scoped_get_user(val, from); );
> return 0;
I find a few aspects of the proposed API odd:
- Explicitly implementing the error label within a macro parameter,
- Having the scoped code within another macro parameter.
I would rather expect something like this to mimick our expectations
in C:
int func(void __user *ptr, size_t len, char *val1, char *val2)
{
int ret;
scoped_masked_user_read_access(ptr, len, ret) {
scoped_get_user(val1, ptr[0]);
scoped_get_user(val2, ptr[0]);
}
return ret;
}
Where:
- ptr is the pointer at the beginning of the range where the userspace
access will be done.
- len is the length of the range.
- ret is a variable used as output (set to -EFAULT on error, 0 on
success). If the user needs to do something cleverer than
get a -EFAULT on error, they can open-code it rather than use
the scoped helper.
- The scope is presented similarly to a "for ()" loop scope.
Now I have no clue whether preprocessor limitations prevent achieving
this somehow, or if it would end up generating poor assembler.
Thoughts ?
Thanks,
Mathieu
--
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-09-18 13:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-09-16 16:33 [patch V2 0/6] uaccess: Provide and use scopes for user masked access Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-16 16:33 ` [patch V2 1/6] ARM: uaccess: Implement missing __get_user_asm_dword() Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-16 21:26 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2025-09-17 5:48 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-17 9:41 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2025-09-17 12:35 ` Christophe Leroy
2025-09-17 13:55 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-17 15:17 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2025-09-17 17:14 ` Nathan Chancellor
2025-09-17 17:34 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2025-09-17 19:25 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-17 18:44 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-19 18:27 ` [patch V2a " Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-16 16:33 ` [patch V2 2/6] kbuild: Disable asm goto on clang < 17 Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-16 18:44 ` Nathan Chancellor
2025-09-16 20:43 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-16 20:56 ` [patch V2a 2/6] kbuild: Disable CC_HAS_ASM_GOTO_OUTPUT on clang < version 17 Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-16 21:50 ` Nathan Chancellor
2025-09-29 9:38 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-09-29 10:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-29 10:58 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-09-29 11:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-29 11:10 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-09-29 15:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-02 18:47 ` David Laight
2025-09-29 22:05 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-16 16:33 ` [patch V2 3/6] uaccess: Provide scoped masked user access regions Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-18 13:20 ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2025-09-19 9:10 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-16 16:33 ` [patch V2 4/6] futex: Convert to scoped masked user access Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-16 16:33 ` [patch V2 5/6] x86/futex: " Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-16 16:33 ` [patch V2 6/6] select: " Thomas Gleixner
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