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From: Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
Cc: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
	Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>,
	Zhaoyang Huang <zhaoyang.huang@unisoc.com>,
	Dave Chinner <dchinner@redhat.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: calling into file systems directly from ->queue_rq, was Re: [PATCH V5 0/6] loop: improve loop aio perf by IOCB_NOWAIT
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2025 11:00:00 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aSUbsDjHnQl0jZde@fedora> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aSQf6gMFzn-4ohrh@infradead.org>

On Mon, Nov 24, 2025 at 01:05:46AM -0800, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2025 at 05:02:03PM +0800, Ming Lei wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 23, 2025 at 10:12:24PM -0800, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > > FYI, with this series I'm seeing somewhat frequent stack overflows when
> > > using loop on top of XFS on top of stacked block devices.
> > 
> > Can you share your setting?
> > 
> > BTW, there are one followup fix:
> > 
> > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-block/20251120160722.3623884-1-ming.lei@redhat.com/
> > 
> > I just run 'xfstests -q quick' on loop on top of XFS on top of dm-stripe,
> > not see stack overflow with the above fix against -next.
> 
> This was with a development tree with lots of local code.  So the
> messages aren't applicable (and probably a hint I need to reduce my
> stack usage).  The observations is that we now stack through from block
> submission context into the file system write path, which is bad for a
> lot of reasons.  journal_info being the most obvious one.
> 
> > > In other words:  I don't think issuing file system I/O from the
> > > submission thread in loop can work, and we should drop this again.
> > 
> > I don't object to drop it one more time.
> > 
> > However, can we confirm if it is really a stack overflow because of
> > calling into FS from ->queue_rq()?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> > If yes, it could be dead end to improve loop in this way, then I can give up.
> 
> I think calling directly into the lower file system without a context
> switch is very problematic, so IMHO yes, it is a dead end.

Hi Jens,

Can you drop or revert the patchset of "loop: improve loop aio perf by IOCB_NOWAIT"
from for-6.19/block?


Thanks,
Ming


  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-25  3:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-15 11:07 [PATCH V5 0/6] loop: improve loop aio perf by IOCB_NOWAIT Ming Lei
2025-10-15 11:07 ` [PATCH V5 1/6] loop: add helper lo_cmd_nr_bvec() Ming Lei
2025-10-15 15:49   ` Bart Van Assche
2025-10-16  2:19     ` Ming Lei
2025-10-15 11:07 ` [PATCH V5 2/6] loop: add helper lo_rw_aio_prep() Ming Lei
2025-10-15 11:07 ` [PATCH V5 3/6] loop: add lo_submit_rw_aio() Ming Lei
2025-10-15 11:07 ` [PATCH V5 4/6] loop: move command blkcg/memcg initialization into loop_queue_work Ming Lei
2025-10-15 11:07 ` [PATCH V5 5/6] loop: try to handle loop aio command via NOWAIT IO first Ming Lei
2025-10-15 11:07 ` [PATCH V5 6/6] loop: add hint for handling aio via IOCB_NOWAIT Ming Lei
2025-11-18 12:55 ` [PATCH V5 0/6] loop: improve loop aio perf by IOCB_NOWAIT Ming Lei
2025-11-18 15:38 ` Jens Axboe
2025-11-24  6:12 ` calling into file systems directly from ->queue_rq, was " Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-24  9:02   ` Ming Lei
2025-11-24  9:05     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-25  3:00       ` Ming Lei [this message]
2025-11-25  3:56         ` Jens Axboe
2025-11-25  7:26         ` Gao Xiang
2025-11-25  9:19           ` Ming Lei
2025-11-25  9:39             ` Gao Xiang
2025-11-25 10:13               ` Gao Xiang
2025-11-25 10:41               ` Ming Lei
2025-11-25 10:57                 ` Gao Xiang
2025-11-25 11:10                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-25 11:48                   ` Ming Lei
2025-11-25 11:58                     ` Gao Xiang
2025-11-25 12:18                       ` Ming Lei
2025-11-25 15:16                         ` Gao Xiang

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