From: Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
Cc: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>,
Zhaoyang Huang <zhaoyang.huang@unisoc.com>,
Dave Chinner <dchinner@redhat.com>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: calling into file systems directly from ->queue_rq, was Re: [PATCH V5 0/6] loop: improve loop aio perf by IOCB_NOWAIT
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2025 11:00:00 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aSUbsDjHnQl0jZde@fedora> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aSQf6gMFzn-4ohrh@infradead.org>
On Mon, Nov 24, 2025 at 01:05:46AM -0800, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2025 at 05:02:03PM +0800, Ming Lei wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 23, 2025 at 10:12:24PM -0800, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > > FYI, with this series I'm seeing somewhat frequent stack overflows when
> > > using loop on top of XFS on top of stacked block devices.
> >
> > Can you share your setting?
> >
> > BTW, there are one followup fix:
> >
> > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-block/20251120160722.3623884-1-ming.lei@redhat.com/
> >
> > I just run 'xfstests -q quick' on loop on top of XFS on top of dm-stripe,
> > not see stack overflow with the above fix against -next.
>
> This was with a development tree with lots of local code. So the
> messages aren't applicable (and probably a hint I need to reduce my
> stack usage). The observations is that we now stack through from block
> submission context into the file system write path, which is bad for a
> lot of reasons. journal_info being the most obvious one.
>
> > > In other words: I don't think issuing file system I/O from the
> > > submission thread in loop can work, and we should drop this again.
> >
> > I don't object to drop it one more time.
> >
> > However, can we confirm if it is really a stack overflow because of
> > calling into FS from ->queue_rq()?
>
> Yes.
>
> > If yes, it could be dead end to improve loop in this way, then I can give up.
>
> I think calling directly into the lower file system without a context
> switch is very problematic, so IMHO yes, it is a dead end.
Hi Jens,
Can you drop or revert the patchset of "loop: improve loop aio perf by IOCB_NOWAIT"
from for-6.19/block?
Thanks,
Ming
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-11-25 3:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-15 11:07 [PATCH V5 0/6] loop: improve loop aio perf by IOCB_NOWAIT Ming Lei
2025-10-15 11:07 ` [PATCH V5 1/6] loop: add helper lo_cmd_nr_bvec() Ming Lei
2025-10-15 15:49 ` Bart Van Assche
2025-10-16 2:19 ` Ming Lei
2025-10-15 11:07 ` [PATCH V5 2/6] loop: add helper lo_rw_aio_prep() Ming Lei
2025-10-15 11:07 ` [PATCH V5 3/6] loop: add lo_submit_rw_aio() Ming Lei
2025-10-15 11:07 ` [PATCH V5 4/6] loop: move command blkcg/memcg initialization into loop_queue_work Ming Lei
2025-10-15 11:07 ` [PATCH V5 5/6] loop: try to handle loop aio command via NOWAIT IO first Ming Lei
2025-10-15 11:07 ` [PATCH V5 6/6] loop: add hint for handling aio via IOCB_NOWAIT Ming Lei
2025-11-18 12:55 ` [PATCH V5 0/6] loop: improve loop aio perf by IOCB_NOWAIT Ming Lei
2025-11-18 15:38 ` Jens Axboe
2025-11-24 6:12 ` calling into file systems directly from ->queue_rq, was " Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-24 9:02 ` Ming Lei
2025-11-24 9:05 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-25 3:00 ` Ming Lei [this message]
2025-11-25 3:56 ` Jens Axboe
2025-11-25 7:26 ` Gao Xiang
2025-11-25 9:19 ` Ming Lei
2025-11-25 9:39 ` Gao Xiang
2025-11-25 10:13 ` Gao Xiang
2025-11-25 10:41 ` Ming Lei
2025-11-25 10:57 ` Gao Xiang
2025-11-25 11:10 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-25 11:48 ` Ming Lei
2025-11-25 11:58 ` Gao Xiang
2025-11-25 12:18 ` Ming Lei
2025-11-25 15:16 ` Gao Xiang
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