From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5118CC43381 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2019 16:00:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F1B12184E for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2019 16:00:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727279AbfCNQA3 (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Mar 2019 12:00:29 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:47888 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726157AbfCNQA3 (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Mar 2019 12:00:29 -0400 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx08.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13F1E30254BA; Thu, 14 Mar 2019 16:00:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.36.112.69] (ovpn-112-69.ams2.redhat.com [10.36.112.69]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB9D6282E4; Thu, 14 Mar 2019 16:00:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] userfaultfd: allow to forbid unprivileged users To: Alexei Starovoitov Cc: Andrea Arcangeli , Peter Xu , Mike Kravetz , LKML , Hugh Dickins , Luis Chamberlain , Maxime Coquelin , kvm@vger.kernel.org, Jerome Glisse , Pavel Emelyanov , Johannes Weiner , Martin Cracauer , Denis Plotnikov , linux-mm , Marty McFadden , Maya Gokhale , Mike Rapoport , Kees Cook , Mel Gorman , "Kirill A . 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David Alan Gilbert" , Andrew Morton , Daniel Borkmann References: <20190311093701.15734-1-peterx@redhat.com> <58e63635-fc1b-cb53-a4d1-237e6b8b7236@oracle.com> <20190313060023.GD2433@xz-x1> <3714d120-64e3-702e-6eef-4ef253bdb66d@redhat.com> <20190313185230.GH25147@redhat.com> <1934896481.7779933.1552504348591.JavaMail.zimbra@redhat.com> <20190313234458.GJ25147@redhat.com> <298b9469-abd2-b02b-5c71-529b8976a46c@redhat.com> From: Paolo Bonzini Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=pbonzini@redhat.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQHhBFRCcBIBDqDGsz4K0zZun3jh+U6Z9wNGLKQ0kSFyjN38gMqU1SfP+TUNQepFHb/Gc0E2 CxXPkIBTvYY+ZPkoTh5xF9oS1jqI8iRLzouzF8yXs3QjQIZ2SfuCxSVwlV65jotcjD2FTN04 hVopm9llFijNZpVIOGUTqzM4U55sdsCcZUluWM6x4HSOdw5F5Utxfp1wOjD/v92Lrax0hjiX DResHSt48q+8FrZzY+AUbkUS+Jm34qjswdrgsC5uxeVcLkBgWLmov2kMaMROT0YmFY6A3m1S P/kXmHDXxhe23gKb3dgwxUTpENDBGcfEzrzilWueOeUWiOcWuFOed/C3SyijBx3Av/lbCsHU Vx6pMycNTdzU1BuAroB+Y3mNEuW56Yd44jlInzG2UOwt9XjjdKkJZ1g0P9dwptwLEgTEd3Fo UdhAQyRXGYO8oROiuh+RZ1lXp6AQ4ZjoyH8WLfTLf5g1EKCTc4C1sy1vQSdzIRu3rBIjAvnC tGZADei1IExLqB3uzXKzZ1BZ+Z8hnt2og9hb7H0y8diYfEk2w3R7wEr+Ehk5NQsT2MPI2QBd wEv1/Aj1DgUHZAHzG1QN9S8wNWQ6K9DqHZTBnI1hUlkp22zCSHK/6FwUCuYp1zcAEQEAAbQj UGFvbG8gQm9uemluaSA8cGJvbnppbmlAcmVkaGF0LmNvbT6JAg0EEwECACMFAlRCcBICGwMH CwkIBwMCAQYVCAIJCgsEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRB+FRAMzTZpsbceDp9IIN6BIA0Ol7MoB15E 11kRz/ewzryFY54tQlMnd4xxfH8MTQ/mm9I482YoSwPMdcWFAKnUX6Yo30tbLiNB8hzaHeRj jx12K+ptqYbg+cevgOtbLAlL9kNgLLcsGqC2829jBCUTVeMSZDrzS97ole/YEez2qFpPnTV0 VrRWClWVfYh+JfzpXmgyhbkuwUxNFk421s4Ajp3d8nPPFUGgBG5HOxzkAm7xb1cjAuJ+oi/K CHfkuN+fLZl/u3E/fw7vvOESApLU5o0icVXeakfSz0LsygEnekDbxPnE5af/9FEkXJD5EoYG SEahaEtgNrR4qsyxyAGYgZlS70vkSSYJ+iT2rrwEiDlo31MzRo6Ba2FfHBSJ7lcYdPT7bbk9 AO3hlNMhNdUhoQv7M5HsnqZ6unvSHOKmReNaS9egAGdRN0/GPDWr9wroyJ65ZNQsHl9nXBqE AukZNr5oJO5vxrYiAuuTSd6UI/xFkjtkzltG3mw5ao2bBpk/V/YuePrJsnPFHG7NhizrxttB nTuOSCMo45pfHQ+XYd5K1+Cv/NzZFNWscm5htJ0HznY+oOsZvHTyGz3v91pn51dkRYN0otqr bQ4tlFFuVjArBZcapSIe6NV8C4cEiSS5AQ0EVEJxcwEIAK+nUrsUz3aP2aBjIrX3a1+C+39R nctpNIPcJjFJ/8WafRiwcEuLjbvJ/4kyM6K7pWUIQftl1P8Woxwb5nqL7zEFHh5I+hKS3haO 5pgco//V0tWBGMKinjqntpd4U4Dl299dMBZ4rRbPvmI8rr63sCENxTnHhTECyHdGFpqSzWzy 97rH68uqMpxbUeggVwYkYihZNd8xt1+lf7GWYNEO/QV8ar/qbRPG6PEfiPPHQd/sldGYavmd //o6TQLSJsvJyJDt7KxulnNT8Q2X/OdEuVQsRT5glLaSAeVAABcLAEnNgmCIGkX7TnQF8a6w gHGrZIR9ZCoKvDxAr7RP6mPeS9sAEQEAAYkDEgQYAQIACQUCVEJxcwIbAgEpCRB+FRAMzTZp scBdIAQZAQIABgUCVEJxcwAKCRC/+9JfeMeug/SlCACl7QjRnwHo/VzENWD9G2VpUOd9eRnS DZGQmPo6Mp3Wy8vL7snGFBfRseT9BevXBSkxvtOnUUV2YbyLmolAODqUGzUI8ViF339poOYN i6Ffek0E19IMQ5+CilqJJ2d5ZvRfaq70LA/Ly9jmIwwX4auvXrWl99/2wCkqnWZI+PAepkcX JRD4KY2fsvRi64/aoQmcxTiyyR7q3/52Sqd4EdMfj0niYJV0Xb9nt8G57Dp9v3Ox5JeWZKXS krFqy1qyEIypIrqcMbtXM7LSmiQ8aJRM4ZHYbvgjChJKR4PsKNQZQlMWGUJO4nVFSkrixc9R Z49uIqQK3b3ENB1QkcdMg9cxsB0Onih8zR+Wp1uDZXnz1ekto+EivLQLqvTjCCwLxxJafwKI bqhQ+hGR9jF34EFur5eWt9jJGloEPVv0GgQflQaE+rRGe+3f5ZDgRe5Y/EJVNhBhKcafcbP8 MzmLRh3UDnYDwaeguYmxuSlMdjFL96YfhRBXs8tUw6SO9jtCgBvoOIBDCxxAJjShY4KIvEpK b2hSNr8KxzelKKlSXMtB1bbHbQxiQcerAipYiChUHq1raFc3V0eOyCXK205rLtknJHhM5pfG 6taABGAMvJgm/MrVILIxvBuERj1FRgcgoXtiBmLEJSb7akcrRlqe3MoPTntSTNvNzAJmfWhd SvP0G1WDLolqvX0OtKMppI91AWVu72f1kolJg43wbaKpRJg1GMkKEI3H+jrrlTBrNl/8e20m TElPRDKzPiowmXeZqFSS1A6Azv0TJoo9as+lWF+P4zCXt40+Zhh5hdHO38EV7vFAVG3iuay6 7ToF8Uy7tgc3mdH98WQSmHcn/H5PFYk3xTP3KHB7b0FZPdFPQXBZb9+tJeZBi9gMqcjMch+Y R8dmTcQRQX14bm5nXlBF7VpSOPZMR392LY7wzAvRdhz7aeIUkdO7VelaspFk2nT7wOj1Y6uL nRxQlLkBDQRUQnHuAQgAx4dxXO6/Zun0eVYOnr5GRl76+2UrAAemVv9Yfn2PbDIbxXqLff7o yVJIkw4WdhQIIvvtu5zH24iYjmdfbg8iWpP7NqxUQRUZJEWbx2CRwkMHtOmzQiQ2tSLjKh/c HeyFH68xjeLcinR7jXMrHQK+UCEw6jqi1oeZzGvfmxarUmS0uRuffAb589AJW50kkQK9VD/9 QC2FJISSUDnRC0PawGSZDXhmvITJMdD4TjYrePYhSY4uuIV02v028TVAaYbIhxvDY0hUQE4r 8ZbGRLn52bEzaIPgl1p/adKfeOUeMReg/CkyzQpmyB1TSk8lDMxQzCYHXAzwnGi8WU9iuE1P 0wARAQABiQHzBBgBAgAJBQJUQnHuAhsMAAoJEH4VEAzNNmmxp1EOoJy0uZggJm7gZKeJ7iUp eX4eqUtqelUw6gU2daz2hE/jsxsTbC/w5piHmk1H1VWDKEM4bQBTuiJ0bfo55SWsUNN+c9hh IX+Y8LEe22izK3w7mRpvGcg+/ZRG4DEMHLP6JVsv5GMpoYwYOmHnplOzCXHvmdlW0i6SrMsB Dl9rw4AtIa6bRwWLim1lQ6EM3PWifPrWSUPrPcw4OLSwFk0CPqC4HYv/7ZnASVkR5EERFF3+ 6iaaVi5OgBd81F1TCvCX2BEyIDRZLJNvX3TOd5FEN+lIrl26xecz876SvcOb5SL5SKg9/rCB ufdPSjojkGFWGziHiFaYhbuI2E+NfWLJtd+ZvWAAV+O0d8vFFSvriy9enJ8kxJwhC0ECbSKF Y+W1eTIhMD3aeAKY90drozWEyHhENf4l/V+Ja5vOnW+gCDQkGt2Y1lJAPPSIqZKvHzGShdh8 DduC0U3xYkfbGAUvbxeepjgzp0uEnBXfPTy09JGpgWbg0w91GyfT/ujKaGd4vxG2Ei+MMNDm S1SMx7wu0evvQ5kT9NPzyq8R2GIhVSiAd2jioGuTjX6AZCFv3ToO53DliFMkVTecLptsXaes uUHgL9dKIfvpm+rNXRn9wAwGjk0X/A== Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 17:00:07 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 on 10.5.11.23 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.43]); Thu, 14 Mar 2019 16:00:28 +0000 (UTC) Sender: linux-fsdevel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org On 14/03/19 16:23, Alexei Starovoitov wrote: > On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 4:00 AM Paolo Bonzini wrote: >> >> On 14/03/19 00:44, Andrea Arcangeli wrote: >>> Then I thought we can add a tristate so an open of /dev/kvm would also >>> allow the syscall to make things more user friendly because >>> unprivileged containers ideally should have writable mounts done with >>> nodev and no matter the privilege they shouldn't ever get an hold on >>> the KVM driver (and those who do, like kubevirt, will then just work). >> >> I wouldn't even bother with the KVM special case. Containers can use >> seccomp if they want a fine-grained policy. >> >> (Actually I wouldn't bother with the knob at all; the attack surface of >> userfaultfd is infinitesimal compared to the BPF JIT...). > > please name _one_ BPF JIT bug that affected unprivileged user space. I didn't say there were any bugs, I talked about attack surface. The potential impact would obviously be much bigger and, even leaving the JIT aside, the userspace API is much more complex. All this is just about paranoia, not about past experience. Paolo