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From: Horst Birthelmer <horst@birthelmer.de>
To: Joanne Koong <joannelkoong@gmail.com>
Cc: Horst Birthelmer <horst@birthelmer.com>,
	 Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	Bernd Schubert <bernd@bsbernd.com>,
	 linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 Horst Birthelmer <hbirthelmer@ddn.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [PATCH] fuse: when copying a folio delay the mark dirty until the end
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2026 15:03:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <abqvmS4adTXVxFIW@fedora.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJnrk1bBu5VJYnoZcV3uaS7+uyxK6TK9SLDtF2WpcRNfhUvO6w@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 16, 2026 at 03:06:02PM -0700, Joanne Koong wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2026 at 1:02 PM Horst Birthelmer <horst@birthelmer.de> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi Horst,
> > >
> > > I think these are two different entities. cs->pg is the page that
> > > corresponds to the userspace buffer / pipe while the (large) folio
> > > corresponds to the pages in the page cache. flush_dcache_folio(folio)
> > > and flush_dcache_page(cs->pg) are not interchangeable (I don't think
> > > it's likely either that the pages backing the userspace buffer/pipe
> > > are large folios).
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Joanne
> >
> > Hi Joanne,
> >
> > I feel a bit embarassed ... but you are completely right.
> > I was interested in solving this case:
> >
> >   fuse_uring_args_to_ring() or fuse_uring_args_to_ring_pages()
> >     fuse_copy_init(&cs, true, &iter)  ← cs->write = TRUE
> >     fuse_copy_args(&cs, num_args, args->in_pages, ...)
> >       if (args->in_pages)
> >         fuse_copy_folios(cs, arg->size, 0)
> >           fuse_copy_folio(cs, &ap->folios[i], ...)
> >
> > when we have large folios
> 
> No worries, the naming doesn't make the distinction obvious at all.
> For copying out large folios right now, the copy is still page by page
> due to extracting 1 userspace buffer page at a time (eg the
> iov_iter_get_pages2(... PAGE_SIZE, 1, ...) call in fuse_copy_fill()).
> If we pass in a pages array, iov_iter_getpages2 is able to extract
> multiple pages at a time and save extra overhead with the GUP setup /
> irq save+restore / pagetable walk and the extra req->waitq
> locking/unlocking calls, but when I benchmarked it last year I didn't
> see any noticeable performance improvements from doing this. The extra
> complexity didn't seem worth it. For optimized copying, I think in the
> future high-performance servers will mostly just use fuse-over-iouring
> zero-copy.
> 
> Thanks,
> Joanne
> 

Hi Joanne,

I wonder, would something like this help for large folios?

@@ -856,8 +856,11 @@ void fuse_copy_finish(struct fuse_copy_state *cs)
                cs->currbuf = NULL;
        } else if (cs->pg) {
                if (cs->write) {
+                       struct folio *folio = page_folio(cs->pg);
+
                        flush_dcache_page(cs->pg);
-                       set_page_dirty_lock(cs->pg);
+                       if (!folio_test_dirty(folio))
+                               set_page_dirty_lock(cs->pg);
                }
                put_page(cs->pg);
        }

Do you have seen any problems with spin locks being way too costly while
doing writes?

That was actually why I started looking into this.

Thanks,
Horst

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-18 14:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-16 15:16 [PATCH] fuse: when copying a folio delay the mark dirty until the end Horst Birthelmer
2026-03-16 17:29 ` Joanne Koong
2026-03-16 20:02   ` Horst Birthelmer
2026-03-16 22:06     ` Joanne Koong
2026-03-18 14:03       ` Horst Birthelmer [this message]
2026-03-18 21:19         ` Joanne Koong
2026-03-18 21:52           ` Bernd Schubert
2026-03-19  1:32             ` Joanne Koong
2026-03-19  4:27               ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-03-20 17:24                 ` Joanne Koong
2026-03-19  8:32               ` Horst Birthelmer
2026-03-20 17:18                 ` Joanne Koong
2026-03-26  6:35 ` kernel test robot
2026-03-26 15:05   ` [LTP] " Cyril Hrubis

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