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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Gao Xiang <hsiangkao@linux.alibaba.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
	Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] bpf: add bpf_real_inode() kfunc
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2026 23:15:16 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <adiVdIhcgfiIoXja@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7a605318-9f09-436f-806e-d4a3bd31b97d@linux.alibaba.com>

On Fri, Apr 10, 2026 at 12:42:41AM +0800, Gao Xiang wrote:
> >   - a lot less I/O amplification
> 
> But not quite sure recently how extended OOB data is
> kept within the physical media (I remembered in the
> early years each page of raw nand flashes has
> several-byte OOB together with the user data): if
> it's along with the corresponding LBA main area, I
> guess it has to read extended data among multiple
> LBAs (but the LBA main data may not relate to this
> partcular I/O) in order to verify the hash of the
> hashes.

For HDD it it is stored next to the media, and doesn't introduce
extra seeks.  For NAND-based SSDs it typically is stored close to
the data as well.  NAND pages are significantly larger than the
exposed block size for any modern SSD.

> 
> >   - a sane way to actually have verification (including authenticated
> >     encryption) in a writable file system
> 
> Yet if considering modification, it need to move up
> the tree and recalculate/update all hashes until the
> root hash, it's not a low-overhead task TBH, and need
> to apply to every single on-disk change.

It needs to be applied in-memory for every changed, and persisted to
disk on every fsync or equivalent operation.


  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-10  6:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-26 16:53 [PATCH] bpf: add bpf_real_inode() kfunc Christian Brauner
2026-03-26 17:02 ` Amir Goldstein
2026-03-27  5:28 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-03-27  6:05   ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-04-07 10:25     ` Christian Brauner
2026-04-07 14:54       ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-09 13:19         ` Christian Brauner
2026-04-09 14:24           ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-09 14:37             ` Gao Xiang
2026-04-09 16:11               ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-09 16:42                 ` Gao Xiang
2026-04-10  6:15                   ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2026-04-10  6:46                     ` Gao Xiang
2026-04-10  7:06                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-10  7:29                         ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-27 12:19 ` bot+bpf-ci

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