From: Justin Suess <utilityemal77@gmail.com>
To: Song Liu <song@kernel.org>
Cc: ast@kernel.org, daniel@iogearbox.net, andrii@kernel.org,
kpsingh@kernel.org, paul@paul-moore.com, mic@digikod.net,
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gnoack@google.com, jack@suse.cz, jmorris@namei.org,
serge@hallyn.com, yonghong.song@linux.dev, martin.lau@linux.dev,
m@maowtm.org, eddyz87@gmail.com, john.fastabend@gmail.com,
sdf@fomichev.me, skhan@linuxfoundation.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 08/20] bpf: Add Landlock ruleset map type
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2026 17:53:05 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aeFaQXkKNHFeE-oC@suesslenovo> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPhsuW7zzXXd6-d86B-rpGr-wfSzmEoCYNKhTMP_pXnybtA27A@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, Apr 16, 2026 at 02:12:11PM -0700, Song Liu wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2026 at 1:02 PM Justin Suess <utilityemal77@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Expose the new BPF_MAP_TYPE_LANDLOCK_RULESET via headers, allowing
> > programs to utilize the map.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Justin Suess <utilityemal77@gmail.com>
>
> I don't think we can introduce a new map type for this. Instead, we should use
> existing map with __kptr values.
>
> Thanks,
> Song
Thanks Song,
That was one initially considered approach.
I initially decided in favor of the dedicated map type in this RFC after
seeing the other FD maps for cgroups and sockets.
The main complication is rulesets in Landlock are created as file
descriptors backed by a kernel object. In the intended model of this
series, creation of rulesets is is done in userspace to avoid
redefining the entire landlock ruleset creation API in BPF.
I don't think we can pass the FD number via a map, since the FD is
process specific. And it needs to be done in a way where we can lookup
the specific ruleset the FD points to safely.
So we'd need some other way to load the ruleset from a file descriptor,
either through a new userspace side BPF call or similar mechanism.
Is there some other common pattern for FDs --> kptr I can follow?
Basically the pattern I need is userspace must create the file
descriptor, BPF converts that FD into a refcounted kernel object, and
even if userspace closes the FD BPF needs to hold a reference on the
underlying ruleset structure.
(In this patch this was accomplished through the map_ops)
Let me know what you think Song. I do understand the benefit of having a
__kptr instead, the refcounting is all there, and it would allow storing
rulesets in multiple map types. (and one less map type to maintain).
Mickaël, do you have any thoughts on this? I have v2 basically ready,
although it uses the BPF_MAP_TYPE_LANDLOCK_RULESET it changes a lot on
the Landlock side.
I appreciate the feedback from both of you.
Justin
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-04-16 21:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-04-07 20:01 [RFC PATCH 00/20] BPF interface for applying Landlock rulesets Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 01/20] landlock: Move operations from syscall into ruleset code Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 02/20] execve: Add set_nnp_on_point_of_no_return Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 03/20] landlock: Implement LANDLOCK_RESTRICT_SELF_NO_NEW_PRIVS Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 04/20] selftests/landlock: Cover LANDLOCK_RESTRICT_SELF_NO_NEW_PRIVS Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 05/20] landlock: Make ruleset deferred free RCU safe Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 06/20] bpf: lsm: Add Landlock kfuncs Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 07/20] bpf: arraymap: Implement Landlock ruleset map Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 08/20] bpf: Add Landlock ruleset map type Justin Suess
2026-04-16 21:12 ` Song Liu
2026-04-16 21:53 ` Justin Suess [this message]
2026-04-16 23:47 ` Song Liu
2026-04-17 14:09 ` Justin Suess
2026-04-17 15:18 ` Mickaël Salaün
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 09/20] bpf: syscall: Handle Landlock ruleset maps Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 10/20] bpf: verifier: Add Landlock ruleset map support Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 11/20] selftests/bpf: Add Landlock kfunc declarations Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 12/20] selftests/landlock: Rename gettid wrapper for BPF reuse Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 13/20] selftests/bpf: Enable Landlock in selftests kernel Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 14/20] selftests/bpf: Add Landlock kfunc test program Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 15/20] selftests/bpf: Add Landlock kfunc test runner Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 16/20] landlock: Bump ABI version Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 17/20] tools: bpftool: Add documentation for landlock_ruleset Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 18/20] landlock: Document LANDLOCK_RESTRICT_SELF_NO_NEW_PRIVS Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 19/20] bpf: Document BPF_MAP_TYPE_LANDLOCK_RULESET Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 20/20] MAINTAINERS: update entry for the Landlock subsystem Justin Suess
2026-04-08 4:40 ` [RFC PATCH 00/20] BPF interface for applying Landlock rulesets Ihor Solodrai
2026-04-08 11:41 ` Justin Suess
2026-04-08 14:00 ` Mickaël Salaün
2026-04-08 17:10 ` Justin Suess
2026-04-08 19:21 ` Mickaël Salaün
2026-04-10 12:43 ` Justin Suess
2026-04-13 15:06 ` Justin Suess
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