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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Pranjal Shrivastava <praan@google.com>,
	Trond Myklebust <trondmy@kernel.org>,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Anna Schumaker <anna@kernel.org>,
	Shivaji Kant <shivajikant@google.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 6/7] nfs: Optimize direct I/O to use folios for requests
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2026 23:56:08 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aj4iiD5C_yyLeb3U@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ajQ21kH1ZVajS2Y7@casper.infradead.org>

[sorry, dropped the ball a bit on this due to overload]

On Thu, Jun 18, 2026 at 07:20:06PM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2026 at 07:10:45AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 16, 2026 at 05:23:48PM +0000, Pranjal Shrivastava wrote:
> > > AFAIU, the MM subsystem explicitly ensures that every valid struct page
> > > is part of a folio.
> > 
> > It is definitively not what the vision for the folio is, although if
> > I'm not mistaken it actually is still true right now.
> 
> It's not true, eg, for slab.  While there's still a struct page there
> for slab, there's no refcount and flags like PG_locked have different
> meanings.  You'll get into a lot of trouble trying to treat slabs as
> folios (and that will include assertions tripping).

True.  But also not relevant for direct I/O user pinning.  If we stopped
having valid folios for anything mapped into userspace,
iov_iter_extract_bvecs would run into problems, and we had the discussion
before that at least right now it would be hard to fix.

Also if iov_iter_extract_bvecs was used on kvec or bvec iters we could
run into the slab problem.  The block usage currently makes sure bvec
iters are not handed to iov_iter_extract_bvecs, but there is no such
thing for kvec vectors, although no one is using them for direct I/O
right now.  Not that I'd want to rely on that in the long run.


      parent reply	other threads:[~2026-06-26  6:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 4+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2026-06-18 14:10       ` [PATCH v2 6/7] nfs: Optimize direct I/O to use folios for requests Christoph Hellwig
2026-06-18 18:20         ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-06-19 12:32           ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-06-26  6:56           ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]

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