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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, hch@infradead.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk, adilger@sun.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] O_NOACC: open without any access
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:34:49 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.01.0906231019250.3240@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <17310.1245776720@redhat.com>



On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, David Howells wrote:

> Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu> wrote:
> 
> > Define O_NOACC as 3.  On open(..., O_FILESYSTEM | O_NOACC) require no
> > privileges on the file.
> 
> It must also work with O_NOFOLLOW, which I think your suggestion will.

This does sound like a fairly natural extension of what we already do.

We essentially already have O_NOACCESS (3), and use it exactly because we 
need to do operations on a file descriptor without "real" accesses 
(notably things like accessing /dev/cdrom without waiting/checking for the 
disk being present etc).

O_FILESYSTEM I don't like as a name (to me, it doesn't say _what_ it is 
doing - of course an open works on a filesystem!), but the concept of 
saying "don't follow device nodes - just open the node itself" makes 
perfect sense. Together with O_NOFOLLOW it also fairly naturally means 
"give me the actual symlink _node_, don't return error or follow it".

And we can trivially test at a higher level that O_FILESYSTEM (with a 
better name, please), is always paired with O_NOACCESS (not O_NOACC: we do 
not try to save three letters, there is no shortage). Because the raw node 
obviously must never really be "accessed" (ie you can't do read/write etc 
on it).

That said, I do _not_ like the notion of

	> Add a new inode->i_filesystem_fop pointer

regardless of whether it's in inode->i_op or wherever. I think we should 
just handle this in the regular "inode->f_op->open" routine, the same way 
we handle FMODE_EXCLUSIVE (O_EXCL), FMODE_NDELAY (O_NONBLOCK) and lack of 
access rights (O_NOACCESS) in the driver open routines that currently 
handle those specially (O_NDELAY is spe

Al?

			Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2009-06-23 17:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-06-18  6:55 [RFC] O_NOACC: open without any access Miklos Szeredi
2009-06-23 13:46 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-06-23 14:12   ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-06-23 14:34     ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-06-23 15:13       ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-06-23 15:52       ` David Howells
2009-06-23 16:06         ` Alan Cox
2009-06-23 16:10         ` David Howells
2009-06-23 16:31           ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-06-23 16:33           ` Alan Cox
2009-06-23 17:05           ` David Howells
2009-06-23 17:34             ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2009-06-23 20:04               ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-06-24 10:53               ` Al Viro
2009-06-24 11:12                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-06-24 16:40                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-23 22:44             ` David Howells
2009-06-23 17:20           ` David Howells
2009-06-23 16:53         ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-06-23 16:59     ` David Howells
2009-06-24 17:02 ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-06-24 18:06   ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-06-24 18:34     ` Ulrich Drepper

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