From: Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>
To: Bo Zhang <zhangbo0325@gmail.com>
Cc: fmayle@google.com, jack@suse.cz, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
david@kernel.org, kaleshsingh@google.com,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
ljs@kernel.org, lkp@intel.com, oe-lkp@lists.linux.dev,
oliver.sang@intel.com, surenb@google.com, willy@infradead.org,
baohua@kernel.org, Bo Zhang <zhangbo56@xiaomi.com>
Subject: Re: [linux-next:master] [mm] 7b32f64bc5: pts.svt-av1.Preset13.Bosphorus4K.frames_per_second 45.8% regression
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2026 11:33:22 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <amiCX6kcQneMZu3-@pedro-suse.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260727014610.3479784-1-zhangbo56@xiaomi.com>
On Mon, Jul 27, 2026 at 09:46:10AM +0800, Bo Zhang wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2026 at 01:34:38PM -0700, Frederick Mayle wrote:
> > I maybe missing something subtle, but, I think you've changed it from "don't
> > read beyond the VMA" to "if there is a chance we could read beyond the VMA,
> > don't read beyond the VMA", which seems like a more complex expression of the
> > same behavior.
>
> Hi Frederick,
>
> The subtlety is in how async readahead interacts with _max_index. The two
> are not equivalent because async readahead sets ra->start to the end of
> the previous readahead window, not to vmf->pgoff. So even though the user
> is still faulting well inside the VMA, the readahead target (ra->start)
> has already moved past the VMA end, however _max_index blocks it.
>
> Here is the concrete scenario (ra_pages=128, VMA covers pages 0-1023):
>
> 1. Fault at page 0 triggers sync readahead: reads pages 0-127,
> places PG_readahead marker at page ~96.
>
> 2. Sequential faults continue. Fault at page 96 hits PG_readahead,
> triggers async readahead in do_async_mmap_readahead().
>
> 3. page_cache_async_ra() detects sequential pattern (index == expected)
> and does:
> ra->start += ra->size; /* pushes start to end of previous window */
> So ra->start = 128 (NOT vmf->pgoff=96), ra->size = 256 which is doubled
>
> 4. page_cache_ra_order() calculates:
> limit = min(file_end, ractl->_max_index)
>
> With the unconditional approach:
> _max_index = 1023 (always set)
> limit = 1023, ra->start(128) < limit (It works fine here)
>
> But after several ramp-ups, when the window reaches the boundary:
>
> 5. Fault at page ~896 hits PG_readahead, async readahead fires.
> page_cache_async_ra() does ra->start += ra->size:
> ra->start = 1024 (previous window ended at 1023)
> ra->size = 128
>
> 6. page_cache_ra_order():
> limit = min(file_end, 1023) = 1023
> ra->start(1024) > limit(1023) (Which will read NOTHING)
>
> Result: page 1024 (in VMA2) is never prefetched. When the process
> enters VMA2, it takes a major fault and readahead ramps up from scratch.
That's on purpose.
>
> With my conditional approach:
> At step 5, vmf->pgoff=896, vma_pages_left = 1024-896 = 128
> 128 < 128 (the condition is false), so _max_index stays ULONG_MAX
> ra->start(1024) < ULONG_MAX, and it will prefetch pages 1024-1151 normally.
This is exactly what we're trying to solve.
> Page 1024 is already cached when VMA2 is entered, only minor fault happens.
>
> The key point: when mprotect splits a large file mapping into adjacent
> VMAs (common for ELF segments, or read-then-write patterns), there's no
> benefit in preventing readahead from crossing the boundary, so the data is
> still sequential in the file. The limit only helps when we're actually
> near the end of useful data (within ra_pages of the VMA end).
This is completely missing the point. This change tried to back off from
reading _anything_ past the VMA _on purpose_, due to ELF file spillage. This
patch reintroduces spillage in a very obfuscated way.
--
Pedro
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-07-28 10:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-06-18 8:00 [linux-next:master] [mm] 7b32f64bc5: pts.svt-av1.Preset13.Bosphorus4K.frames_per_second 45.8% regression kernel test robot
2026-06-18 9:30 ` Jan Kara
2026-06-18 14:30 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-18 16:03 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-18 16:32 ` Pedro Falcato
2026-06-18 16:51 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-19 11:11 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-29 10:35 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-23 2:45 ` Bo Zhang
2026-07-23 20:34 ` Frederick Mayle
2026-07-27 1:46 ` Bo Zhang
2026-07-28 10:33 ` Pedro Falcato [this message]
2026-07-28 14:09 ` Bo Zhang
2026-07-28 5:25 ` Bo Zhang
2026-07-27 2:17 ` Oliver Sang
2026-07-27 4:20 ` Bo Zhang
2026-07-28 2:22 ` Oliver Sang
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