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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Julian Sun <sunjunchao@bytedance.com>,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	axboe@kernel.dk, hannes@cmpxchg.org, mhocko@kernel.org,
	roman.gushchin@linux.dev, shakeel.butt@linux.dev,
	muchun.song@linux.dev, willy@infradead.org, tj@kernel.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, Boris Burkov <boris@bur.io>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 1/3] block: introduce bdev_flush_by_dev()
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2026 23:24:02 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aroIAqoCNDBPlB2A@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3w6vfwfkojmfqy2qs5j4q2s2366ajqiwmqf624lyn3odrv42v2@va2r7a6ngfz6>

On Fri, Sep 25, 2026 at 12:34:52PM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> On Thu 24-09-26 23:52:33, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 25, 2026 at 02:44:42PM +0800, Julian Sun wrote:
> > > Add bdev_flush_by_dev() to submit page-cache writeback for a device
> > > identified by dev_t without requiring callers to hold a persistent
> > > device reference.
> > 
> > This isn't really a flush is it?  This is writeback.
> 
> So bdev_writeback_by_dev()? Fine by me.

Yes.

> Well, Julian is explaining that in the cover letter. We don't want memcgs
> to hold bdev references just for foreign flush tracking. There's no easy
> way to get rid of them so they could pin bdevs for a long time leading to
> strange artifacts.

I have to admit I didn't get it when flying over the cover letter.
But this also really belongs into the patch where it is more obvious,
or even better into code comments.

> 
> As you write, we could just hold a reference to the bdev inode. Those get
> unhashed when the device dies (__del_gendisk()) so memcgs would be just
> wasting some memory by holding these inodes alive. But still, transitioning
> from inode to proper bdev reference verifying bdev is still alive will add
> a bit of hairy code (essentially what blkdev_get_no_open() does plus
> verification inode is still hashed). Plus when replacing foreign flush
> entries you're under irqsafe xa_lock so doing iput() from there is kind of
> a nogo.
> 
> So I think tracking devices by dev_t is a good way of dealing with these
> problems. But then when flushing you have to transition from dev_t to
> struct block_device and blkdev_get_no_open() is the canonical way of doing
> that (and note this use is just internal to block/bdev.c).

I'd really prefer not to grow more blkdev_get_no_open users.

But the more I look at this I wonder why we even bother.  Trying to
attribute individual bits of dirty metadata to cgroups is pretty much
insane.  Why don't we bypass memcg accounting for buffer_heads like we
always did for the XFS buffer cache, and what btrfs switched to last
year? See commit b55102826d7d ("btrfs: set AS_KERNEL_FILE on the
btree_inode") for the btrfs side.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-28  6:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-25  6:44 [PATCH v9 0/3] memcg,writeback: flush foreign bdev mappings separately Julian Sun
2026-09-25  6:44 ` [PATCH v9 1/3] block: introduce bdev_flush_by_dev() Julian Sun
2026-09-25  6:52   ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-25 10:34     ` Jan Kara
2026-09-28  6:24       ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2026-09-28  9:51         ` Julian Sun
2026-10-02 11:10           ` Jan Kara
2026-10-05  8:26             ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-10-05 16:25               ` Jan Kara
2026-10-08  8:00                 ` Julian Sun
2026-10-08  8:51                   ` Jan Kara
2026-10-08  9:39                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-10-02  9:23         ` Julian Sun
2026-10-05  8:27           ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-25  6:44 ` [PATCH v9 2/3] memcg,writeback: flush foreign bdev mappings separately from owner wbs Julian Sun
2026-09-25  6:55   ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-25 13:00     ` Julian Sun
2026-09-28  6:18       ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-25  6:44 ` [PATCH v9 3/3] writeback: add tracepoints for foreign bdev writeback Julian Sun

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