From: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
To: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, NeilBrown <neilb@suse.com>
Cc: Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] VFS: use synchronize_rcu_expedited() in namespace_unlock()
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 12:27:04 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <b8a1a898-850c-cc7a-2574-1bfd15cc9888@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171026122743.GX3659@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
On 10/26/2017 02:27 PM, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> But just for completeness, one way to make this work across the board
> might be to instead use call_rcu(), with the callback function kicking
> off a workqueue handler to do the rest of the unmount. Of course,
> in saying that, I am ignoring any mutexes that you might be holding
> across this whole thing, and also ignoring any problems that might arise
> when returning to userspace with some portion of the unmount operation
> still pending. (For example, someone unmounting a filesystem and then
> immediately remounting that same filesystem.)
You really need to complete all side effects of deallocating a resource
before returning to user space. Otherwise, it will never be possible to
allocate and deallocate resources in a tight loop because you either get
spurious failures because too many unaccounted deallocations are stuck
somewhere in the system (and the user can't tell that this is due to a
race), or you get an OOM because the user manages to queue up too much
state.
We already have this problem with RLIMIT_NPROC, where waitpid etc.
return before the process is completely gone. On some
kernels/configurations, the resulting race is so wide that parallel make
no longer works reliable because it runs into fork failures.
Thanks,
Florian
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-11-27 11:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-10-26 2:26 [PATCH] VFS: use synchronize_rcu_expedited() in namespace_unlock() NeilBrown
2017-10-26 12:27 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-26 13:50 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-27 0:45 ` NeilBrown
2017-10-27 1:24 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-11-27 11:27 ` Florian Weimer [this message]
2017-11-27 14:41 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-11-28 22:17 ` NeilBrown
2018-10-05 1:27 ` [PATCH - resend] " NeilBrown
2018-10-05 1:40 ` Al Viro
2018-10-05 2:53 ` NeilBrown
2018-10-05 4:08 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-29 23:33 ` [PATCH - resend*2] " NeilBrown
2018-11-29 23:52 ` Al Viro
2018-11-30 1:09 ` NeilBrown
2018-11-06 3:15 ` [PATCH - resend] " NeilBrown
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