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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
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	Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 6/9] mm/memory: convert print_bad_pte() to print_bad_page_map()
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2025 13:04:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c8b9c805-2760-4b90-951a-3666cad6a4a4@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200da552-4fc7-44d8-bbea-1669b4b45cf5@lucifer.local>

> 
> Yeah sorry I was in 'what locks do we need' mode and hadn't shifted back here,
> but I guess the intent is that the caller _must_ hold this lock.
> 
> I know it's nitty and annoying (sorry!) but as asserting seems to not be a
> possibility here, could we spell these out as a series of points like:
> 
> /*
>   * The caller MUST hold the following locks:
>   *
>   * - Leaf page table lock
>   * - Appropriate VMA lock to keep VMA stable
>   */
> 
> I don't _actually_ think you need the rmap lock then, as none of the page tables
> you access would be impacted by any rmap action afaict, with these locks held.

I don't enjoy wrong comments ;)

This can be called from rmap code when doing a vm_normal_page() while 
holding the PTL.

Really, I think we are over-thinking a helper that is triggered in 
specific context when the world is about to collide.

This is not your general-purpose API.

Maybe I should have never added a comment. Maybe I should just not have 
done this patch, because I really don't want to do more than the bare 
minimum to print_bad_page_map().

Because I deeply detest it, and no comments we will add will change that.

[...]

>>> But can you truly be sure of these existing? And we should then assert them
>>> here no? For rmap though we'd need the folio/vma.
>>
>> I hope you realize that this nastiness of a code is called in case our
>> system is already running into something extremely unexpected and will
>> probably be dead soon.
>>
>> So I am not to interested in adding anything more here. If you run into this
>> code you're in big trouble already.
> 
> Yes am aware :) my concern is NULL ptr deref or UAF, but with the locks
> held as stated those won't occur.
> 
> But f it's not sensible to do it then we don't have to :) I am a reasonable
> man, or like to think I am ;)
> 
> But I think we need clarity as per the above.
> 
>>
>>>
>>>> +	pgdp = pgd_offset(mm, addr);
>>>> +	pgdv = pgd_val(*pgdp);
>>>
>>> Before I went and looked again at the commit msg I said:
>>>
>>> 	"Shoudln't we strictly speaking use pgdp_get()? I see you use this
>>> 	 helper for other levels."
>>>
>>> But obviously yeah. You explained the insane reason why not.
>>
>> Had to find out the hard way ... :)
> 
> Pain.
> 
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>> +/*
>>>> + * This function is called to print an error when a bad page table entry (e.g.,
>>>> + * corrupted page table entry) is found. For example, we might have a
>>>> + * PFN-mapped pte in a region that doesn't allow it.
>>>> + *
>>>> + * The calling function must still handle the error.
>>>> + */
>>>
>>> We have extremely strict locking conditions for the page table traversal... but
>>> no mention of them here?
>>
>> Yeah, I can add that.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
>>
>>>
>>>> +static void print_bad_page_map(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
>>>> +		unsigned long addr, unsigned long long entry, struct page *page)
>>>> +{
>>>> +	struct address_space *mapping;
>>>> +	pgoff_t index;
>>>> +
>>>> +	if (is_bad_page_map_ratelimited())
>>>> +		return;
>>>>
>>>>    	mapping = vma->vm_file ? vma->vm_file->f_mapping : NULL;
>>>>    	index = linear_page_index(vma, addr);
>>>>
>>>> -	pr_alert("BUG: Bad page map in process %s  pte:%08llx pmd:%08llx\n",
>>>> -		 current->comm,
>>>> -		 (long long)pte_val(pte), (long long)pmd_val(*pmd));
>>>> +	pr_alert("BUG: Bad page map in process %s  entry:%08llx", current->comm, entry);
>>>
>>> Sort of wonder if this is even useful if you don't know what the 'entry'
>>> is? But I guess the dump below will tell you.
>>
>> You probably missed in the patch description:
>>
>> "Whether it is a PTE or something else will usually become obvious from the
>> page table dump or from the dumped stack. If ever required in the future, we
>> could pass the entry level type similar to "enum rmap_level". For now, let's
>> keep it simple."
> 
> Yeah sorry I glossed over the commit msg, and now I pay for it ;) OK this
> is fine then.

Let me play with indicating the page table level, but it's the kind of 
stuff I wouldn't want to do in this series here.

>>
>>>
>>> Then we have VM_IO, which strictly must not have an associated page right?
>>
>> VM_IO just means read/write side-effects, I think you could have ones with
>> an memmap easily ... e.g., memory section (128MiB) spanning both memory and
>> MMIO regions.
> 
> Hmm, but why not have two separate VMAs? I guess I need to look into more
> what this flag actually effects.

Oh, I meant, that we might have a "struct page" for MMIO memory 
(pfn_valid() == true).

In a MIXEDMAP that will get refcounted. Not sure if there are users that 
use VM_IO in a MIXEDMAP, I would assume so but didn't check.

So VM_IO doesn't really interact with vm_normal_page(), really. It's all 
about PFNMAP and MIXEDMAP.

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb


  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-18 11:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-17 11:52 [PATCH v2 0/9] mm: vm_normal_page*() improvements David Hildenbrand
2025-07-17 11:52 ` [PATCH v2 1/9] mm/huge_memory: move more common code into insert_pmd() David Hildenbrand
2025-07-17 15:34   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-25  2:47   ` Wei Yang
2025-07-17 11:52 ` [PATCH v2 2/9] mm/huge_memory: move more common code into insert_pud() David Hildenbrand
2025-07-17 15:42   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-25  2:56   ` Wei Yang
2025-07-17 11:52 ` [PATCH v2 3/9] mm/huge_memory: support huge zero folio in vmf_insert_folio_pmd() David Hildenbrand
2025-07-17 15:47   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-25  8:07   ` Wei Yang
2025-07-17 11:52 ` [PATCH v2 4/9] fs/dax: use vmf_insert_folio_pmd() to insert the huge zero folio David Hildenbrand
2025-07-17 18:09   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-17 11:52 ` [PATCH v2 5/9] mm/huge_memory: mark PMD mappings of the huge zero folio special David Hildenbrand
2025-07-17 18:29   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-17 20:31     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-18 10:41       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-18 10:54         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-18 13:06           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-28  8:49   ` Wei Yang
2025-07-17 11:52 ` [PATCH v2 6/9] mm/memory: convert print_bad_pte() to print_bad_page_map() David Hildenbrand
2025-07-17 19:17   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-17 20:03     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-18 10:15       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-18 11:04         ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-07-18 12:55           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-17 22:06   ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-07-18  7:44     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-18  7:59       ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-07-18  8:26         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-17 11:52 ` [PATCH v2 7/9] mm/memory: factor out common code from vm_normal_page_*() David Hildenbrand
2025-07-17 19:51   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-17 19:55     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-17 20:03       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-18 12:43         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 12:54           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-30 13:24             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-17 20:12     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-18 12:35       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-17 11:52 ` [PATCH v2 8/9] mm: introduce and use vm_normal_page_pud() David Hildenbrand
2025-07-17 20:03   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-17 20:14     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-18 10:47       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-18 11:06         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-18 12:44           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-29  7:52   ` Wei Yang
2025-07-17 11:52 ` [PATCH v2 9/9] mm: rename vm_ops->find_special_page() to vm_ops->find_normal_page() David Hildenbrand
2025-07-17 20:07   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-29  7:53   ` Wei Yang

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