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From: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
To: 'Salvatore Mesoraca' <s.mesoraca16@gmail.com>
Cc: Alan Cox <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Kernel Hardening <kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	"Solar Designer" <solar@openwall.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH v3 2/2] Protected O_CREAT open in sticky directories
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 11:53:01 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d1ffc1cd48b545ebb81a7f682fde9f1d@AcuMS.aculab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJHCu1K-xZXaXh38qYaNzJBr+USVxvsaqOReZjtnchxVOyYnww@mail.gmail.com>

From: Salvatore Mesoraca [mailto:s.mesoraca16@gmail.com]
> Sent: 24 November 2017 11:44
> 
> 2017-11-24 11:53 GMT+01:00 David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>:
> > From: Alan Cox
> >> Sent: 22 November 2017 16:52
> >>
> >> On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:01:46 +0100
> >> Salvatore Mesoraca <s.mesoraca16@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Disallows O_CREAT open missing the O_EXCL flag, in world or
> >> > group writable directories, even if the file doesn't exist yet.
> >> > With few exceptions (e.g. shared lock files based on flock())
> >>
> >> Enough exceptions to make it a bad idea.
> >>
> >> Firstly if you care this much *stop* having shared writable directories.
> >> We have namespaces, you don't need them. You can give every user their
> >> own /tmp etc.
> >
> > Looks like a very bad idea to me as well.
> >
> > Doesn't this stop all shell redirects into a shared /tmp ?
> > I'm pretty sure most programs use O_CREAT | O_TRUNC for output
> > files - they'll all stop working.
> 
> If some program does such a thing, that's a potential vulnerability.
> With "protected_hardlinks" you are, in most cases, safe.
> But, still, that program has a bug and having this feature enabled will
> help you notice it soon.
> For that matter, I'm using this patch on my system and I don't have any
> program behaving like this.

Hmmm.... a quick strace shows cp and vi doing stat("/tmp/foo") and then
open(O_WRONLY|O_TRUNC) if it exists and O_CREATE|O_EXCL if it doesn't.
I can't help feeling that is just hiding a race.

	David


  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-24 11:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-22  8:01 [PATCH v3 0/2] Restrict dangerous open in sticky directories Salvatore Mesoraca
2017-11-22  8:01 ` [PATCH v3 1/2] Protected FIFOs and regular files Salvatore Mesoraca
2017-11-23 22:43   ` [kernel-hardening] " Tobin C. Harding
2017-11-24  8:24     ` Salvatore Mesoraca
2017-11-22  8:01 ` [PATCH v3 2/2] Protected O_CREAT open in sticky directories Salvatore Mesoraca
2017-11-22 13:22   ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-11-24  8:29     ` Salvatore Mesoraca
2017-11-22 16:51   ` Alan Cox
2017-11-24  8:31     ` Salvatore Mesoraca
2017-11-24 10:53     ` David Laight
2017-11-24 11:43       ` Salvatore Mesoraca
2017-11-24 11:53         ` David Laight [this message]
2017-11-26 11:29           ` Salvatore Mesoraca
2017-11-27  0:26         ` Solar Designer
2017-11-30 14:39           ` Salvatore Mesoraca
2017-11-30 14:57             ` [kernel-hardening] " Ian Campbell
2017-11-30 16:30               ` [kernel-hardening] " Solar Designer
2017-12-05 10:21                 ` Salvatore Mesoraca
2017-12-07 21:47                   ` Solar Designer
2017-12-11 12:08                     ` Salvatore Mesoraca
2017-11-23 22:57   ` Tobin C. Harding
2017-11-24  8:34     ` Salvatore Mesoraca
2017-11-30 16:53   ` David Laight
2017-11-30 17:51     ` Solar Designer
2017-12-01  9:46       ` David Laight
2017-12-01 15:52         ` Alan Cox

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