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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 7/9] mm/memory: factor out common code from vm_normal_page_*()
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2025 22:12:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d62fd5c9-6ee1-466f-850b-97046b14ebff@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1aef6483-18e6-463b-a197-34dd32dd6fbd@lucifer.local>

>>
>> -/*
>> - * vm_normal_page -- This function gets the "struct page" associated with a pte.
>> +/**
>> + * vm_normal_page_pfn() - Get the "struct page" associated with a PFN in a
>> + *			  non-special page table entry.
> 
> This is a bit nebulous/confusing, I mean you'll get PTE entries with PTE special
> bit that'll have a PFN but just no struct page/folio to look at, or should not
> be touched.
> 
> So the _pfn() bit doesn't really properly describe what it does.
> 
> I wonder if it'd be better to just separate out the special handler, have
> that return a boolean indicating special of either form, and then separate
> other shared code separately from that?

Let me think about that; I played with various approaches and this was 
the best I was come up with before running in circles.

> 
>> + * @vma: The VMA mapping the @pfn.
>> + * @addr: The address where the @pfn is mapped.
>> + * @pfn: The PFN.
>> + * @entry: The page table entry value for error reporting purposes.
>>    *
>>    * "Special" mappings do not wish to be associated with a "struct page" (either
>>    * it doesn't exist, or it exists but they don't want to touch it). In this
>> @@ -603,10 +608,10 @@ static void print_bad_page_map(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
>>    * (such as GUP) can still identify these mappings and work with the
>>    * underlying "struct page".
>>    *
>> - * There are 2 broad cases. Firstly, an architecture may define a pte_special()
>> - * pte bit, in which case this function is trivial. Secondly, an architecture
>> - * may not have a spare pte bit, which requires a more complicated scheme,
>> - * described below.
>> + * There are 2 broad cases. Firstly, an architecture may define a "special"
>> + * page table entry bit (e.g., pte_special()), in which case this function is
>> + * trivial. Secondly, an architecture may not have a spare page table
>> + * entry bit, which requires a more complicated scheme, described below.
> 
> Strikes me this bit of the comment should be with vm_normal_page(). As this
> implies the 2 broad cases are handled here and this isn't the case.

Well, pragmatism. Splitting up the doc doesn't make sense. Having it at 
vm_normal_page() doesn't make sense.

I'm sure the educated reader will be able to make sense of it :P

But I'm happy to hear suggestions on how to do it differently :)

> 
>>    *
>>    * A raw VM_PFNMAP mapping (ie. one that is not COWed) is always considered a
>>    * special mapping (even if there are underlying and valid "struct pages").
>> @@ -639,15 +644,72 @@ static void print_bad_page_map(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
>>    * don't have to follow the strict linearity rule of PFNMAP mappings in
>>    * order to support COWable mappings.
>>    *
>> + * This function is not expected to be called for obviously special mappings:
>> + * when the page table entry has the "special" bit set.
> 
> Hmm this is is a bit weird though, saying "obviously" special, because you're
> handling "special" mappings here, but only for architectures that don't specify
> the PTE special bit.
> 
> So it makes it quite nebulous what constitutes 'obviously' here, really you mean
> pte_special().

Yes, I can clarify that.

> 
>> + *
>> + * Return: Returns the "struct page" if this is a "normal" mapping. Returns
>> + *	   NULL if this is a "special" mapping.
>> + */
>> +static inline struct page *vm_normal_page_pfn(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
>> +		unsigned long addr, unsigned long pfn, unsigned long long entry)
>> +{
>> +	/*
>> +	 * With CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_PTE_SPECIAL, any special page table mappings
>> +	 * (incl. shared zero folios) are marked accordingly and are handled
>> +	 * by the caller.
>> +	 */
>> +	if (!IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_PTE_SPECIAL)) {
>> +		if (unlikely(vma->vm_flags & (VM_PFNMAP | VM_MIXEDMAP))) {
>> +			if (vma->vm_flags & VM_MIXEDMAP) {
>> +				/* If it has a "struct page", it's "normal". */
>> +				if (!pfn_valid(pfn))
>> +					return NULL;
>> +			} else {
>> +				unsigned long off = (addr - vma->vm_start) >> PAGE_SHIFT;
>> +
>> +				/* Only CoW'ed anon folios are "normal". */
>> +				if (pfn == vma->vm_pgoff + off)
>> +					return NULL;
>> +				if (!is_cow_mapping(vma->vm_flags))
>> +					return NULL;
>> +			}
>> +		}
>> +
>> +		if (is_zero_pfn(pfn) || is_huge_zero_pfn(pfn))
> 
> This handles zero/zero huge page handling for non-pte_special() case
> only. I wonder if we even need to bother having these marked special
> generally since you can just check the PFN every time anyway.

Well, that makes (a) pte_special() a bit weird -- not set for some 
special pages and (b) requires additional runtime checks for the case we 
all really care about -- pte_special().

So I don't think we should change that.

[...]

>>
>> +/**
>> + * vm_normal_folio() - Get the "struct folio" associated with a PTE
>> + * @vma: The VMA mapping the @pte.
>> + * @addr: The address where the @pte is mapped.
>> + * @pte: The PTE.
>> + *
>> + * Get the "struct folio" associated with a PTE. See vm_normal_page_pfn()
>> + * for details.
>> + *
>> + * Return: Returns the "struct folio" if this is a "normal" mapping. Returns
>> + *	   NULL if this is a "special" mapping.
>> + */
> 
> Nice to add a comment, but again feels weird to have the whole explanation in
> vm_normal_page_pfn() but then to invoke vm_normal_page()..

You want people to do pointer chasing to find what they are looking for? :)

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-07-17 20:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-17 11:52 [PATCH v2 0/9] mm: vm_normal_page*() improvements David Hildenbrand
2025-07-17 11:52 ` [PATCH v2 1/9] mm/huge_memory: move more common code into insert_pmd() David Hildenbrand
2025-07-17 15:34   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-25  2:47   ` Wei Yang
2025-07-17 11:52 ` [PATCH v2 2/9] mm/huge_memory: move more common code into insert_pud() David Hildenbrand
2025-07-17 15:42   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-25  2:56   ` Wei Yang
2025-07-17 11:52 ` [PATCH v2 3/9] mm/huge_memory: support huge zero folio in vmf_insert_folio_pmd() David Hildenbrand
2025-07-17 15:47   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-25  8:07   ` Wei Yang
2025-07-17 11:52 ` [PATCH v2 4/9] fs/dax: use vmf_insert_folio_pmd() to insert the huge zero folio David Hildenbrand
2025-07-17 18:09   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-17 11:52 ` [PATCH v2 5/9] mm/huge_memory: mark PMD mappings of the huge zero folio special David Hildenbrand
2025-07-17 18:29   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-17 20:31     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-18 10:41       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-18 10:54         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-18 13:06           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-28  8:49   ` Wei Yang
2025-07-17 11:52 ` [PATCH v2 6/9] mm/memory: convert print_bad_pte() to print_bad_page_map() David Hildenbrand
2025-07-17 19:17   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-17 20:03     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-18 10:15       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-18 11:04         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-18 12:55           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-17 22:06   ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-07-18  7:44     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-18  7:59       ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-07-18  8:26         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-17 11:52 ` [PATCH v2 7/9] mm/memory: factor out common code from vm_normal_page_*() David Hildenbrand
2025-07-17 19:51   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-17 19:55     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-17 20:03       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-18 12:43         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 12:54           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-30 13:24             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-17 20:12     ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-07-18 12:35       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-17 11:52 ` [PATCH v2 8/9] mm: introduce and use vm_normal_page_pud() David Hildenbrand
2025-07-17 20:03   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-17 20:14     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-18 10:47       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-18 11:06         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-18 12:44           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-29  7:52   ` Wei Yang
2025-07-17 11:52 ` [PATCH v2 9/9] mm: rename vm_ops->find_special_page() to vm_ops->find_normal_page() David Hildenbrand
2025-07-17 20:07   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-29  7:53   ` Wei Yang

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