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Tue, 27 Aug 2019 15:29:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: ext4 fsck vs. kernel recovery policy To: dann frazier , linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Theodore Ts'o , Jan Kara Cc: Colin King , Ryan Harper References: From: Eric Sandeen Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=sandeen@sandeen.net; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBE6x99QBEADMR+yNFBc1Y5avoUhzI/sdR9ANwznsNpiCtZlaO4pIWvqQJCjBzp96cpCs nQZV32nqJBYnDpBDITBqTa/EF+IrHx8gKq8TaSBLHUq2ju2gJJLfBoL7V3807PQcI18YzkF+ WL05ODFQ2cemDhx5uLghHEeOxuGj+1AI+kh/FCzMedHc6k87Yu2ZuaWF+Gh1W2ix6hikRJmQ vj5BEeAx7xKkyBhzdbNIbbjV/iGi9b26B/dNcyd5w2My2gxMtxaiP7q5b6GM2rsQklHP8FtW ZiYO7jsg/qIppR1C6Zr5jK1GQlMUIclYFeBbKggJ9mSwXJH7MIftilGQ8KDvNuV5AbkronGC sEEHj2khs7GfVv4pmUUHf1MRIvV0x3WJkpmhuZaYg8AdJlyGKgp+TQ7B+wCjNTdVqMI1vDk2 BS6Rg851ay7AypbCPx2w4d8jIkQEgNjACHVDU89PNKAjScK1aTnW+HNUqg9BliCvuX5g4z2j gJBs57loTWAGe2Ve3cMy3VoQ40Wt3yKK0Eno8jfgzgb48wyycINZgnseMRhxc2c8hd51tftK LKhPj4c7uqjnBjrgOVaVBupGUmvLiePlnW56zJZ51BR5igWnILeOJ1ZIcf7KsaHyE6B1mG+X dmYtjDhjf3NAcoBWJuj8euxMB6TcQN2MrSXy5wSKaw40evooGwARAQABtCVFcmljIFIuIFNh bmRlZW4gPHNhbmRlZW5Ac2FuZGVlbi5uZXQ+iQI7BBMBAgAlAhsDBgsJCAcDAgYVCAIJCgsE FgIDAQIeAQIXgAUCUzMzbAIZAQAKCRAgrhaS4T3e4Fr7D/wO+fenqVvHjq21SCjDCrt8HdVj aJ28B1SqSU2toxyg5I160GllAxEHpLFGdbFAhQfBtnmlY9eMjwmJb0sCIrkrB6XNPSPA/B2B UPISh0z2odJv35/euJF71qIFgWzp2czJHkHWwVZaZpMWWNvsLIroXoR+uA9c2V1hQFVAJZyk EE4xzfm1+oVtjIC12B9tTCuS00pY3AUy21yzNowT6SSk7HAzmtG/PJ/uSB5wEkwldB6jVs2A sjOg1wMwVvh/JHilsQg4HSmDfObmZj1d0RWlMWcUE7csRnCE0ZWBMp/ttTn+oosioGa09HAS 9jAnauznmYg43oQ5Akd8iQRxz5I58F/+JsdKvWiyrPDfYZtFS+UIgWD7x+mHBZ53Qjazszox gjwO9ehZpwUQxBm4I0lPDAKw3HJA+GwwiubTSlq5PS3P7QoCjaV8llH1bNFZMz2o8wPANiDx 5FHgpRVgwLHakoCU1Gc+LXHXBzDXt7Cj02WYHdFzMm2hXaslRdhNGowLo1SXZFXa41KGTlNe 4di53y9CK5ynV0z+YUa+5LR6RdHrHtgywdKnjeWdqhoVpsWIeORtwWGX8evNOiKJ7j0RsHha WrePTubr5nuYTDsQqgc2r4aBIOpeSRR2brlT/UE3wGgy9LY78L4EwPR0MzzecfE1Ws60iSqw Pu3vhb7h3bkCDQROsffUARAA0DrUifTrXQzqxO8aiQOC5p9Tz25Np/Tfpv1rofOwL8VPBMvJ X4P5l1V2yd70MZRUVgjmCydEyxLJ6G2YyHO2IZTEajUY0Up+b3ErOpLpZwhvgWatjifpj6bB SKuDXeThqFdkphF5kAmgfVAIkan5SxWK3+S0V2F/oxstIViBhMhDwI6XsRlnVBoLLYcEilxA 2FlRUS7MOZGmRJkRtdGD5koVZSM6xVZQSmfEBaYQ/WJBGJQdPy94nnlAVn3lH3+N7pXvNUuC GV+t4YUt3tLcRuIpYBCOWlc7bpgeCps5Xa0dIZgJ8Louu6OBJ5vVXjPxTlkFdT0S0/uerCG5 1u8p6sGRLnUeAUGkQfIUqGUjW2rHaXgWNvzOV6i3tf9YaiXKl3avFaNW1kKBs0T5M1cnlWZU Utl6k04lz5OjoNY9J/bGyV3DSlkblXRMK87iLYQSrcV6cFz9PRl4vW1LGff3xRQHngeN5fPx ze8X5NE3hb+SSwyMSEqJxhVTXJVfQWWW0dQxP7HNwqmOWYF/6m+1gK/Y2gY3jAQnsWTru4RV TZGnKwEPmOCpSUvsTRXsVHgsWJ70qd0yOSjWuiv4b8vmD3+QFgyvCBxPMdP3xsxN5etheLMO gRwWpLn6yNFq/xtgs+ECgG+gR78yXQyA7iCs5tFs2OrMqV5juSMGmn0kxJUAEQEAAYkCHwQY AQIACQUCTrH31AIbDAAKCRAgrhaS4T3e4BKwD/0ZOOmUNOZCSOLAMjZx3mtYtjYgfUNKi0ki YPveGoRWTqbis8UitPtNrG4XxgzLOijSdOEzQwkdOIp/QnZhGNssMejCnsluK0GQd+RkFVWN mcQT78hBeGcnEMAXZKq7bkIKzvc06GFmkMbX/gAl6DiNGv0UNAX+5FYh+ucCJZSyAp3sA+9/ LKjxnTedX0aygXA6rkpX0Y0FvN/9dfm47+LGq7WAqBOyYTU3E6/+Z72bZoG/cG7ANLxcPool LOrU43oqFnD8QwcN56y4VfFj3/jDF2MX3xu4v2OjglVjMEYHTCxP3mpxesGHuqOit/FR+mF0 MP9JGfj6x+bj/9JMBtCW1bY/aPeMdPGTJvXjGtOVYblGZrSjXRn5++Uuy36CvkcrjuziSDG+ JEexGxczWwN4mrOQWhMT5Jyb+18CO+CWxJfHaYXiLEW7dI1AynL4jjn4W0MSiXpWDUw+fsBO Pk6ah10C4+R1Jc7dyUsKksMfvvhRX1hTIXhth85H16706bneTayZBhlZ/hK18uqTX+s0onG/ m1F3vYvdlE4p2ts1mmixMF7KajN9/E5RQtiSArvKTbfsB6Two4MthIuLuf+M0mI4gPl9SPlf fWCYVPhaU9o83y1KFbD/+lh1pjP7bEu/YudBvz7F2Myjh4/9GUAijrCTNeDTDAgvIJDjXuLX pA== Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 15:29:09 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: linux-fsdevel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org On 8/27/19 2:10 PM, dann frazier wrote: > hey, > I'm curious if there's a policy about what types of unclean > shutdowns 'e2fsck -p' can recover, vs. what the kernel will > automatically recover on mount. We're seeing that unclean shutdowns w/ > data=journal,journal_csum frequently result in invalid checksums that > causes the kernel to abort recovery, while 'e2fsck -p' resolves the > issue non-interactively. > > Driver for this question is that some Ubuntu installs set fstab's > passno=0 for the root fs - which I'm told is based on the assumption > that both kernel & e2fsck -p have parity when it comes to automatic > recovery - that's obviously does not appear to be the case - but I > wanted to confirm whether or not that is by design. > > -dann Ted or others more involved w/ ext4 will speak w/ authority but it's my understanding that log replay, whether done by userspace or by the kernel, should always return the filesystem to a consistent state. If that's not the case, scripting things so that you grab a qcow-format e2image prior to fsck so that you can share the problematic image with developers may help. (In XFS land, a large portion of the unreplayable logs we see are the result of storage that didn't /actually/ persist IOs that it claimed were persisted prior to the crash/poweroff.) -Eric