From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Eric Sandeen <sandeen@sandeen.net>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
ksummit@lists.linux.dev, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS/KERNEL SUMMIT] Trust and maintenance of file systems
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2023 17:50:50 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <db57da32517e5f33d1d44564097a7cc8468a96c3.camel@HansenPartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZQTfIu9OWwGnIT4b@dread.disaster.area>
On Sat, 2023-09-16 at 08:48 +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 10:03:55AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
[...]
> > - "they use the buffer cache".
> >
> > Waah, waah, waah.
>
> .... you dismiss those concerns in the same way a 6 year old school
> yard bully taunts his suffering victims.
>
> Regardless of the merits of the observation you've made, the tone
> and content of this response is *completely unacceptable*. Please
> keep to technical arguments, Linus, because this sort of response
> has no merit what-so-ever. All it does is shut down the technical
> discussion because no-one wants to be the target of this sort of
> ugly abuse just for participating in a technical discussion.
>
> Given the number of top level maintainers that signed off on the CoC
> that are present in this forum, I had an expectation that this is a
> forum where bad behaviour is not tolerated at all. So I've waited a
> couple of days to see if anyone in a project leadership position is
> going to say something about this comment.....
>
> <silence>
>
> The deafening silence of tacit acceptance is far more damning than
> the high pitched squeal of Linus's childish taunts.
Well, let's face it: it's a pretty low level taunt and it wasn't aimed
at you (or indeed anyone on the thread that I could find) and it was
backed by technical argument in the next sentence. We all have a
tendency to let off steam about stuff in general not at people in
particular as you did here:
https://lore.kernel.org/ksummit/ZP+vcgAOyfqWPcXT@dread.disaster.area/
But I didn't take it as anything more than a rant about AI in general
and syzbot in particular and certainly I didn't assume it was aimed at
me or anyone else.
If everyone reached for the code of conduct when someone had a non-
specific rant using colourful phraseology, we'd be knee deep in
complaints, which is why we tend to be more circumspect when it
happens.
James
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-09-16 22:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-08-30 14:07 [MAINTAINERS/KERNEL SUMMIT] Trust and maintenance of file systems Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-05 23:06 ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-05 23:23 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-06 2:09 ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-06 15:06 ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-06 15:59 ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-06 19:09 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-09-08 8:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-07 0:46 ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-09-09 12:50 ` James Bottomley
2023-09-09 15:44 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-10 19:51 ` James Bottomley
2023-09-10 20:19 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-10 21:15 ` Guenter Roeck
2023-09-11 3:10 ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-09-11 19:03 ` James Bottomley
2023-09-12 0:23 ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-12 16:52 ` H. Peter Anvin
2023-09-09 22:42 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-10 8:19 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-09-10 8:37 ` Bernd Schubert
2023-09-10 16:35 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-10 17:26 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-09-10 17:35 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-11 1:05 ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-11 1:29 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-11 2:07 ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-11 13:35 ` David Disseldorp
2023-09-11 17:45 ` Bart Van Assche
2023-09-11 19:11 ` David Disseldorp
2023-09-11 23:05 ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-26 5:24 ` Eric W. Biederman
2023-09-08 8:55 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-08 22:47 ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-06 22:32 ` Guenter Roeck
2023-09-06 22:54 ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-07 0:53 ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-09-07 3:14 ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-07 1:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-07 2:22 ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-07 2:51 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-07 3:26 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-07 8:04 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2023-09-07 10:29 ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-07 11:18 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2023-09-07 12:04 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-07 12:57 ` Guenter Roeck
2023-09-07 13:56 ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-08 8:44 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-07 3:38 ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-07 11:18 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-13 16:43 ` Eric Sandeen
2023-09-13 16:58 ` Guenter Roeck
2023-09-13 17:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-15 22:48 ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-16 19:44 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-16 21:50 ` James Bottomley [this message]
2023-09-17 1:40 ` NeilBrown
2023-09-17 17:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-17 18:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-17 18:57 ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-09-17 19:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-18 11:14 ` Jan Kara
2023-09-18 17:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-18 19:32 ` Jiri Kosina
2023-09-18 19:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-18 20:50 ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-09-18 22:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-18 20:33 ` H. Peter Anvin
2023-09-19 4:56 ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-25 9:43 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-27 22:23 ` Dave Kleikamp
2023-09-19 1:15 ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-19 5:17 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-19 16:34 ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-09-19 16:45 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-19 17:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-19 22:57 ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-18 14:54 ` Bill O'Donnell
2023-09-19 2:44 ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-19 16:57 ` James Bottomley
2023-09-25 9:38 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-25 14:14 ` Dan Carpenter
2023-09-25 16:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-07 9:48 ` Dan Carpenter
2023-09-07 11:04 ` Segher Boessenkool
2023-09-07 11:22 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-07 12:24 ` Segher Boessenkool
2023-09-07 11:23 ` Dan Carpenter
2023-09-07 12:30 ` Segher Boessenkool
2023-09-12 9:50 ` Richard Biener
2023-10-23 5:19 ` Eric Gallager
2023-09-08 8:39 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-08 8:38 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-08 23:21 ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-07 0:48 ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-09-07 3:07 ` Guenter Roeck
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