From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E49E7C2BA12 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2023 22:01:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S234980AbjIPVvY (ORCPT ); Sat, 16 Sep 2023 17:51:24 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:59724 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S231622AbjIPVu6 (ORCPT ); Sat, 16 Sep 2023 17:50:58 -0400 Received: from bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (bedivere.hansenpartnership.com [IPv6:2607:fcd0:100:8a00::2]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED68F13E for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2023 14:50:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=hansenpartnership.com; s=20151216; t=1694901052; bh=xp/zECTLd0zlyMcEqIwVZY7AO4haOGbqNU1Y5VuW/LA=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=WjSxsnF+cGzfk7CY5jUq6IYscszVWtuEO7fI6pa31IK7S9YcNjjfNa9pAzb8CeKqR XaZVFxMeyWhypQBtBtxXjombHjTeBrdf8e7sXAzb3IZCsBj0ORJxsCalDQ6rZhyEvR wiJO4p7xcraCClR5IyakbV5MS80aVtj1csyuevvI= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C067E12861E5; Sat, 16 Sep 2023 17:50:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bedivere.hansenpartnership.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bedivere.hansenpartnership.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavis, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hn9t_FtsVQ6r; Sat, 16 Sep 2023 17:50:52 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=hansenpartnership.com; s=20151216; t=1694901052; bh=xp/zECTLd0zlyMcEqIwVZY7AO4haOGbqNU1Y5VuW/LA=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=WjSxsnF+cGzfk7CY5jUq6IYscszVWtuEO7fI6pa31IK7S9YcNjjfNa9pAzb8CeKqR XaZVFxMeyWhypQBtBtxXjombHjTeBrdf8e7sXAzb3IZCsBj0ORJxsCalDQ6rZhyEvR wiJO4p7xcraCClR5IyakbV5MS80aVtj1csyuevvI= Received: from lingrow.int.hansenpartnership.com (unknown [IPv6:2601:5c4:4302:c21::c14]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (prime256v1) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C058712861BA; Sat, 16 Sep 2023 17:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS/KERNEL SUMMIT] Trust and maintenance of file systems From: James Bottomley To: Dave Chinner , Linus Torvalds Cc: Eric Sandeen , Steven Rostedt , Guenter Roeck , Christoph Hellwig , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2023 17:50:50 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: <8718a8a3-1e62-0e2b-09d0-7bce3155b045@roeck-us.net> <20230906215327.18a45c89@gandalf.local.home> <20230906225139.6ffe953c@gandalf.local.home> <20230907071801.1d37a3c5@gandalf.local.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.42.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org On Sat, 2023-09-16 at 08:48 +1000, Dave Chinner wrote: > On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 10:03:55AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: [...] > >  - "they use the buffer cache". > > > > Waah, waah, waah. > > .... you dismiss those concerns in the same way a 6 year old school > yard bully taunts his suffering victims. > > Regardless of the merits of the observation you've made, the tone > and content of this response is *completely unacceptable*.  Please > keep to technical arguments, Linus, because this sort of response > has no merit what-so-ever. All it does is shut down the technical > discussion because no-one wants to be the target of this sort of > ugly abuse just for participating in a technical discussion. > > Given the number of top level maintainers that signed off on the CoC > that are present in this forum, I had an expectation that this is a > forum where bad behaviour is not tolerated at all.  So I've waited a > couple of days to see if anyone in a project leadership position is > going to say something about this comment..... > > > > The deafening silence of tacit acceptance is far more damning than > the high pitched squeal of Linus's childish taunts. Well, let's face it: it's a pretty low level taunt and it wasn't aimed at you (or indeed anyone on the thread that I could find) and it was backed by technical argument in the next sentence. We all have a tendency to let off steam about stuff in general not at people in particular as you did here: https://lore.kernel.org/ksummit/ZP+vcgAOyfqWPcXT@dread.disaster.area/ But I didn't take it as anything more than a rant about AI in general and syzbot in particular and certainly I didn't assume it was aimed at me or anyone else. If everyone reached for the code of conduct when someone had a non- specific rant using colourful phraseology, we'd be knee deep in complaints, which is why we tend to be more circumspect when it happens. James