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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Lokesh Gidra <lokeshgidra@google.com>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
Cc: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
	brauner@kernel.org, shuah@kernel.org, aarcange@redhat.com,
	hughd@google.com, mhocko@suse.com, axelrasmussen@google.com,
	rppt@kernel.org, willy@infradead.org, Liam.Howlett@oracle.com,
	zhangpeng362@huawei.com, bgeffon@google.com,
	kaleshsingh@google.com, ngeoffray@google.com, jdduke@google.com,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-team@android.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/3] userfaultfd: UFFDIO_REMAP uABI
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2023 14:30:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <df0ccf08-1bbb-418c-0b3b-57c7288a9871@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+EESO5UPJrWpUKLg6m=1EmG6P9oXW6ADRkbRKjijVxj641qFQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 04.10.23 01:39, Lokesh Gidra wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 11:26 PM Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 2:21 PM Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 03, 2023 at 11:08:07PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>>> Sorry I have to ask: has this ever been discussed on the list? I don't see
>>>> any pointers. If not, then probably the number of people that know about the
>>>> history can be counted with my two hands and that shouldn't be the basis for
>>>> making decisions.
>>>
>>> For example:
>>>
>>> https://lore.kernel.org/all/1425575884-2574-21-git-send-email-aarcange@redhat.com/

Sorry, I had to process a family NMI the last couple of days.

>>
>> There was another submission in 2019:
>> https://lore.kernel.org/all/cover.1547251023.git.blake.caldwell@colorado.edu/

It would be good to link them in the cover letter and shortly explain 
why that wasn't merged back then (if there was any reason).

>>
>> Though both times it did not generate much discussion. I don't have a
>> strong preference though MOVE sounds more generic to me TBH (it
>> specifies the operation rather than REMAP which hints on how that
>> operation is carried out). But again, I'm fine either way.
> 
> That's a good point. IMHO, if in future we want to have the fallback
> implemented, then MOVE would be a more appropriate name than REMAP.
> 
>> As for UFFDIO_MOVE_ZERO_COPY_ONLY vs UFFDIO_MOVE_MODE_ALLOW_COPY, I
>> find it weird that the default (the most efficient/desired) mode of
>> operation needs a flag. I would prefer to have no flag initially and
>> add UFFDIO_MOVE_MODE_ALLOW_COPY or whatever name is more appropriate
>> when/if we ever need it. Makes sense?
> 
> Agreed!

I agree. One could have UFFDIO_MOVE that is best-effort and documented 
like that, and a to-be-named future extension that always works but 
might be more expensive.


Ideally we'd have an interface that does not expose and/or rely on such 
low-level information and simply always works, but getting that would 
mean that we'd have to implement the fallback immediately ... so I guess 
we'll have to expose a best-effort interface first.

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb


  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-06 12:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-23  1:31 [PATCH v2 0/3] userfaultfd remap option Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-09-23  1:31 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] userfaultfd: UFFDIO_REMAP: rmap preparation Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-09-28 16:23   ` Peter Xu
2023-09-28 20:03     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-10-02 14:42   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-10-02 15:23     ` Peter Xu
2023-10-02 17:30       ` David Hildenbrand
2023-10-03 17:56         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-09-23  1:31 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] userfaultfd: UFFDIO_REMAP uABI Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-09-27 10:06   ` potential new userfaultfd vs khugepaged conflict [was: Re: [PATCH v2 2/3] userfaultfd: UFFDIO_REMAP uABI] Jann Horn
2023-09-27 17:12     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-09-28 15:29       ` Jann Horn
2023-09-27 12:47   ` [PATCH v2 2/3] userfaultfd: UFFDIO_REMAP uABI Jann Horn
2023-09-27 13:29     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-09-27 18:25       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-09-28 16:28         ` Peter Xu
2023-09-28 17:15         ` David Hildenbrand
2023-09-28 18:32           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-09-28 20:11             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-09-28 19:00           ` Peter Xu
2023-10-02  7:49             ` David Hildenbrand
2023-09-28 16:24       ` Peter Xu
2023-09-28 17:05         ` David Hildenbrand
2023-09-28 17:21           ` Peter Xu
2023-09-28 17:51             ` David Hildenbrand
2023-09-28 18:34               ` Peter Xu
2023-09-28 19:47                 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-10-02  8:00                 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-10-02 15:21                   ` Peter Xu
2023-10-02 15:46                     ` Lokesh Gidra
2023-10-02 15:55                       ` Lokesh Gidra
2023-10-02 17:43                         ` David Hildenbrand
2023-10-02 19:33                           ` Lokesh Gidra
2023-10-03 20:04                             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-10-03 20:21                               ` Peter Xu
2023-10-03 21:08                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-10-03 21:20                                   ` Peter Xu
2023-10-03 22:26                                     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-10-03 23:39                                       ` Lokesh Gidra
2023-10-06 12:30                                         ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2023-10-06 15:02                                           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-10-03 21:04                               ` David Hildenbrand
2023-10-02 17:33                     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-10-02 17:36                       ` David Hildenbrand
2023-09-27 18:07     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-09-27 20:04       ` Jann Horn
2023-09-27 20:42         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-09-27 21:08           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-09-27 22:48             ` Jann Horn
2023-09-28 15:36               ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-09-28 17:09   ` Peter Xu
2023-09-28 18:23     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-09-28 18:43   ` Peter Xu
2023-09-28 19:50     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-09-23  1:31 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] selftests/mm: add UFFDIO_REMAP ioctl test Suren Baghdasaryan

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