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From: "Latchesar Ionkov" <lucho@ionkov.net>
To: "Rob Ross" <rross@mcs.anl.gov>
Cc: "Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>,
	"Matthew Wilcox" <matthew@wil.cx>,
	"Gary Grider" <ggrider@lanl.gov>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:35:01 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f158dc670612011835u2bbd39d2sbe8abf2a9d6b9e23@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4570ACD1.7060800@mcs.anl.gov>

Hi,

One general remark: I don't think it is feasible to add new system
calls every time somebody has a problem. Usually there are (may be not
that good) solutions that don't require big changes and work well
enough. "Let's change the interface and make the life of many
filesystem developers miserable, because they have to worry about
3-4-5 more operations" is not the easiest solution in the long run.

On 12/1/06, Rob Ross <rross@mcs.anl.gov> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The use model for openg() and openfh() (renamed sutoc()) is n processes
> spread across a large cluster simultaneously opening a file. The
> challenge is to avoid to the greatest extent possible incurring O(n) FS
> interactions. To do that we need to allow actions of one process to be
> reused by other processes on other OS instances.
>
> The openg() call allows one process to perform name resolution, which is
> often the most expensive part of this use model. Because permission

If the name resolution is the most expensive part, why not implement
just the name lookup part and call it "lookup" instead of "openg". Or
even better, make NFS to resolve multiple names with a single request.
If the NFS server caches the last few name lookups, the responses from
the other nodes will be fast, and you will get your file descriptor
with two instead of the proposed one request. The performance could be
just good enough without introducing any new functions and file
handles.

Thanks,
    Lucho

  reply	other threads:[~2006-12-02  2:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-11-28  4:34 NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards Gary Grider
2006-11-28  5:54 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-11-28 10:54   ` Andreas Dilger
2006-11-28 11:28     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2006-11-28 20:17     ` Russell Cattelan
2006-11-28 23:28     ` Wendy Cheng
2006-11-29  9:12       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-11-29  9:04   ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-11-29  9:14     ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-11-29  9:48     ` Andreas Dilger
2006-11-29 10:18       ` Anton Altaparmakov
2006-11-29  8:26         ` Brad Boyer
2006-11-30  9:25           ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-11-30 17:49             ` Sage Weil
2006-12-01  5:26               ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-01  7:08                 ` Sage Weil
2006-12-01 14:41                   ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-01 16:47                     ` Sage Weil
2006-12-01 18:07                       ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-01 18:42                         ` Sage Weil
2006-12-01 19:13                           ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-01 20:32                             ` Sage Weil
2006-12-04 18:02                           ` Peter Staubach
2006-12-05 23:20                             ` readdirplus() as possible POSIX I/O API Sage Weil
2006-12-06 15:48                               ` Peter Staubach
2006-12-03  1:57                         ` NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards Andreas Dilger
2006-12-03  7:34                           ` Kari Hurtta
2006-12-03  1:52                     ` Andreas Dilger
2006-12-03 16:10                       ` Sage Weil
2006-12-04  7:32                         ` Andreas Dilger
2006-12-04 15:15                           ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-05  0:59                             ` Rob Ross
2006-12-05  4:44                               ` Gary Grider
2006-12-05 10:05                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-05  5:56                               ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-05 10:07                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-05 14:20                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-06 15:04                                     ` Rob Ross
2006-12-06 15:44                                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-06 16:15                                         ` Rob Ross
2006-12-05 14:55                                   ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-05 22:11                                     ` Rob Ross
2006-12-05 23:24                                       ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-06 16:42                                         ` Rob Ross
2006-12-06 12:22                                     ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2006-12-06 15:14                                       ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-05 16:55                                   ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-12-05 22:12                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-06 23:12                                       ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-12-06 23:33                                         ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-05 21:50                                   ` Rob Ross
2006-12-05 22:05                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-05 23:18                                       ` Sage Weil
2006-12-05 23:55                                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-12-06 10:06                                         ` Andreas Dilger
2006-12-06 17:19                                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-12-06 17:27                                             ` Rob Ross
2006-12-06 17:42                                               ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-12-06 18:01                                                 ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2006-12-06 18:13                                                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-12-17 14:41                                                     ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2006-12-17 19:07                                                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-12-17 19:38                                                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-17 21:51                                                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-12-18  2:57                                                             ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2006-12-18  3:54                                                               ` Gary Grider
2006-12-07  5:57                                                 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-12-15 22:37                                                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-12-16 18:13                                                     ` Andreas Dilger
2006-12-16 19:08                                                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-12-14 23:58                                         ` statlite() Rob Ross
2006-12-07 23:39                                       ` NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards Nikita Danilov
2006-12-05 14:37                               ` Peter Staubach
2006-12-05 10:26                             ` readdirplus() as possible POSIX I/O API Andreas Dilger
2006-12-05 15:23                               ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-06 10:28                                 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-12-06 15:10                                   ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-05 17:06                               ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-12-05 22:48                                 ` Rob Ross
2006-11-29 10:25       ` NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards Steven Whitehouse
2006-11-30 12:29         ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-01 15:52       ` Ric Wheeler
2006-11-29 12:23     ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-11-29 12:35       ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-11-29 16:26         ` Gary Grider
2006-11-29 17:18           ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-11-29 12:39       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-01 22:29         ` Rob Ross
2006-12-02  2:35           ` Latchesar Ionkov [this message]
2006-12-05  0:37             ` Rob Ross
2006-12-05 10:02               ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-05 16:47               ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-12-05 17:01                 ` Matthew Wilcox
     [not found]                   ` <f158dc670612050909m366594c5ubaa87d9a9ecc8c2a@mail.gmail.com>
2006-12-05 17:10                     ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-12-05 17:39                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-05 21:55                       ` Rob Ross
2006-12-05 21:50                   ` Peter Staubach
2006-12-05 21:44                 ` Rob Ross
2006-12-06 11:01                   ` openg Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-06 15:41                     ` openg Trond Myklebust
2006-12-06 15:42                     ` openg Rob Ross
2006-12-06 23:32                       ` openg Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-14 23:36                         ` openg Rob Ross
2006-12-06 23:25                   ` Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards Latchesar Ionkov
2006-12-06  9:48                 ` David Chinner
2006-12-06 15:53                   ` openg and path_to_handle Rob Ross
2006-12-06 16:04                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-06 16:20                       ` Rob Ross
2006-12-06 20:57                         ` David Chinner
2006-12-06 20:40                     ` David Chinner
2006-12-06 20:50                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-06 21:09                         ` David Chinner
2006-12-06 22:09                         ` Andreas Dilger
2006-12-06 22:17                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-06 22:41                             ` Andreas Dilger
2006-12-06 23:39                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-14 22:52                             ` Rob Ross
2006-12-06 20:50                       ` Rob Ross
2006-12-06 21:01                         ` David Chinner
2006-12-06 23:19                     ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-12-14 21:00                       ` Rob Ross
2006-12-14 21:20                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-14 23:02                           ` Rob Ross
2006-11-28 15:08 ` NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards Matthew Wilcox

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