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From: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>
To: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
Cc: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	 linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] Allow a kthread to declare that it calls task_work_run()
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2023 09:06:05 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fe5ff16ac8a2aa7ea22b1ede8edf72c990411dea.camel@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231205-altbacken-umbesetzen-e5c0c021ab98@brauner>

On Tue, 2023-12-05 at 12:14 +0100, Christian Brauner wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 04, 2023 at 03:09:44PM -0700, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > On 12/4/23 2:02 PM, NeilBrown wrote:
> > > It isn't clear to me what _GPL is appropriate, but maybe the rules
> > > changed since last I looked..... are there rules?
> > > 
> > > My reasoning was that the call is effectively part of the user-space
> > > ABI.  A user-space process can call this trivially by invoking any
> > > system call.  The user-space ABI is explicitly a boundary which the GPL
> > > does not cross.  So it doesn't seem appropriate to prevent non-GPL
> > > kernel code from doing something that non-GPL user-space code can
> > > trivially do.
> > 
> > By that reasoning, basically everything in the kernel should be non-GPL
> > marked. And while task_work can get used by the application, it happens
> > only indirectly or implicitly. So I don't think this reasoning is sound
> > at all, it's not an exported ABI or API by itself.
> > 
> > For me, the more core of an export it is, the stronger the reason it
> > should be GPL. FWIW, I don't think exporting task_work functionality is
> > a good idea in the first place, but if there's a strong reason to do so,
> 
> Yeah, I'm not too fond of that part as well. I don't think we want to
> give modules the ability to mess with task work. This is just asking for
> trouble.

The fact that nfsd has to queue all of the delayed fput activity to a
workqueue has always been a horrible hack though. We export all kinds of
functionality to modules that you can screw up.

I think that nfsd's use-case is legitimate. ksmbd may also want to
follow suit.
-- 
Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>

  reply	other threads:[~2023-12-05 14:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-12-04  1:36 [PATCH 0/2 v2] Move all file-close work for nfsd into nfsd threads NeilBrown
2023-12-04  1:36 ` [PATCH 1/2] Allow a kthread to declare that it calls task_work_run() NeilBrown
2023-12-04  2:13   ` Jens Axboe
2023-12-04 21:02     ` NeilBrown
2023-12-04 22:09       ` Jens Axboe
2023-12-04 22:27         ` NeilBrown
2023-12-05 11:14         ` Christian Brauner
2023-12-05 14:06           ` Jeff Layton [this message]
2023-12-05 21:28           ` NeilBrown
2023-12-05 21:58             ` Jens Axboe
2023-12-05 22:03               ` Jens Axboe
2023-12-05 22:16                 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-05 23:23                   ` NeilBrown
2023-12-05 23:31                     ` Jens Axboe
2023-12-06 14:24                       ` Christian Brauner
2023-12-08  1:40                         ` NeilBrown
2023-12-06 14:29             ` Christian Brauner
2023-12-06  5:44           ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-12-04  2:25   ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-12-04 21:04     ` NeilBrown
2023-12-04  2:40   ` Al Viro
2023-12-04 16:12     ` Oleg Nesterov
2023-12-04 21:20     ` NeilBrown
2023-12-05  6:27       ` Dave Chinner
2023-12-05  6:41   ` Dave Chinner
2023-12-05  8:48     ` NeilBrown
2023-12-05 11:29       ` Christian Brauner
2023-12-05 11:25   ` Christian Brauner
2023-12-05 14:23     ` Chuck Lever
2023-12-04  1:36 ` [PATCH 2/2] nfsd: Don't leave work of closing files to a work queue NeilBrown
2023-12-04 16:58   ` Chuck Lever
2023-12-04 22:21     ` NeilBrown
2023-12-04 23:48       ` Chuck Lever
2023-12-05  6:36   ` kernel test robot

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